Weight loss ups and downs - 800 Calorie - Newcastle

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None at present because I am being good (polishing halo emoji 😉 ) but I did eat a whole Easter egg a week after Easter which I bought as a thank you gift for someone and then didn't manage to get it to them in time and after Easter it was too late of course (looks like you are giving away something you didn't want.... and I so wanted it!!) so I was left looking at a sad lonely enticing egg that would be out of date by the following year. It was a dark chocolate "grown up" egg too so no point in giving it to a passing child who wouldn't appreciate it. Of course, once I started into it, I couldn't stop and I had to keep injecting insulin to cover it and my levels went horribly high and then after several hours of being mid teens and stacking insulin and chopping firewood to try to bring it down, they suddenly crashed and I was really ill and thought I might need hospital..... I try to keep that indiscretion in mind now each time I am tempted! It was scary!
I don't exactly do things by halves when I fall off the wagon 🙄. Pre diagnosis, I used to be able to eat a multi pack of Snickers or a whole box of Cadbury's Cream Eggs in an afternoon without feeling sick, so one large hollow dark choc Easter egg should have been a walk in the park, but my body/diabetes just can't take it anymore.

Thankfully the last few days I just haven't felt hungry at all, which is actually quite a pleasant relief as I haven't needed anything much other than breakfast but sooner or later that will change and I will get "hangry" which is why I am thinking some meal replacements might make it easier to get regular nourishment to prevent me getting to the craving stage. It is lack of routine which makes my diabetes difficult to manage.
 
Eddy Edson said:
Apols if this is way way off target, but have you thought about or had a conversation with yr doc about Ozempic etc as a weight-loss aid?

The mechanism of these semaglutides apparently is to adjust the hormonal gut-brain processes so that there isn't a constant impulse to eat, reducing visceral reaction to food sights & smells, and so on.

They make it so that it may become possible to exert a feasible amount of willpower where before it was like trying to hold back the tide - as somebody put it.

Anyway, apparently they can work really well.
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There was an article in last weeks New Scientist about that very drug as being the miracle treatment for weight loss.
 
Leadinglights said:
There was an article in last weeks New Scientist about that very drug as being the miracle treatment for weight loss.
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The weight loss/metabolism experts I follow on twitter are pretty unanimous in hailing the advent of this class of drugs, and the new ones in the pipeline. Routinely get results which before would only be seen with bariatric surgery.

There goes the diet industry ....

Eg: Stephan Guyenet on the upcoming drug tirzepatide which reported further trial results last week:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1520095015262842881

Like semaglutide, but even more so.
 
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Eddy Edson said:
Apols if this is way way off target, but have you thought about or had a conversation with yr doc about Ozempic etc as a weight-loss aid?

The mechanism of these semaglutides apparently is to adjust the hormonal gut-brain processes so that there isn't a constant impulse to eat, reducing visceral reaction to food sights & smells, and so on.

They make it so that it may become possible to exert a feasible amount of willpower where before it was like trying to hold back the tide - as somebody put it.

Anyway, apparently they can work really well.
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From the people who have tried Ozempic on this forum, it seems to me that few are singing it's praises. I think most people seemed to find an initial benefit and that diminished with time. It certainly doesn't come across so far as a miracle drug from a users perspective!
 
rebrascora said:
From the people who have tried Ozempic on this forum, it seems to me that few are singing it's praises. I think most people seemed to find an initial benefit and that diminished with time. It certainly doesn't come across so far as a miracle drug from a users perspective!
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I really don't think you can tell anything much at all from anecdotes about people's reactions to drugs, except that it didn't work well for those individuals. The people posting about it here constitute some tiny tiny fraction of those taking it, and people generally are far more likely to post negative anecdotes than positive.

And while it's also just anecdotes, there's a bunch of practitioners who present different stories. Just as an eg from a few minutes ago:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1523661240954155011
 
Eddy Edson said:
Apols if this is way way off target, but have you thought about or had a conversation with yr doc about Ozempic etc as a weight-loss aid?

The mechanism of these semaglutides apparently is to adjust the hormonal gut-brain processes so that there isn't a constant impulse to eat, reducing visceral reaction to food sights & smells, and so on.

They make it so that it may become possible to exert a feasible amount of willpower where before it was like trying to hold back the tide - as somebody put it.

Anyway, apparently they can work really well.
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I doubt I'd qualify to be honest. I don't even meet the threshold for getting on to REWIND.

Also I'd rather do this without medical intervention because there's a lesson to be learnt and I suspect it'd be harder to do so with semaglutides.
 
That last sentence...."You can make it more tolerable" is not exactly "selling it" and it is a doctor talking, not a patient experiencing it which says a lot to me.

I am also not sure 0% drop out gives any indication of efficacy? .... Just that people have been put on it and are continuing to take it. I think this forum is not representative of the diabetic population at large as it is mostly self motivated people who come here to ask questions and learn and share their experiences and find what works for them. I consider that their views on Ozempic may be more relevant than the masses that just take the medication that the doctor prescribes them and don't seek any further understanding or alternative options.

That said, I have no personal experience of this drug, just going by the posts that I have read here on the forum.
 
rebrascora said:
None at present because I am being good (polishing halo emoji 😉 ) but I did eat a whole Easter egg a week after Easter which I bought as a thank you gift for someone and then didn't manage to get it to them in time and after Easter it was too late of course (looks like you are giving away something you didn't want.... and I so wanted it!!) so I was left looking at a sad lonely enticing egg that would be out of date by the following year. It was a dark chocolate "grown up" egg too so no point in giving it to a passing child who wouldn't appreciate it. Of course, once I started into it, I couldn't stop and I had to keep injecting insulin to cover it and my levels went horribly high and then after several hours of being mid teens and stacking insulin and chopping firewood to try to bring it down, they suddenly crashed and I was really ill and thought I might need hospital..... I try to keep that indiscretion in mind now each time I am tempted! It was scary!
I don't exactly do things by halves when I fall off the wagon 🙄. Pre diagnosis, I used to be able to eat a multi pack of Snickers or a whole box of Cadbury's Cream Eggs in an afternoon without feeling sick, so one large hollow dark choc Easter egg should have been a walk in the park, but my body/diabetes just can't take it anymore.

Thankfully the last few days I just haven't felt hungry at all, which is actually quite a pleasant relief as I haven't needed anything much other than breakfast but sooner or later that will change and I will get "hangry" which is why I am thinking some meal replacements might make it easier to get regular nourishment to prevent me getting to the craving stage. It is lack of routine which makes my diabetes difficult to manage.
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Exante do some meal replacement bars which might suit. Some are awful however so it can be really hit and miss. The most consistently decent one is their 'Birthday Cake' bar - although it bares zero resemblance to any type of birthday cake I've ever seen. As long as you eat it slowly it's quite ok.
 
rebrascora said:
That last sentence...."You can make it more tolerable" is not exactly "selling it" and it is a doctor talking, not a patient experiencing it which says a lot to me.

I am also not sure 0% drop out gives any indication of efficacy? .... Just that people have been put on it and are continuing to take it. I think this forum is not representative of the diabetic population at large as it is mostly self motivated people who come here to ask questions and learn and share their experiences and find what works for them. I consider that their views on Ozempic may be more relevant than the masses that just take the medication that the doctor prescribes them and don't seek any further understanding or alternative options.

That said, I have no personal experience of this drug, just going by the posts that I have read here on the forum.
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If posts here have given you the impression that semaglutides aren't effective for weight loss it's a pretty good indication of the uselessness of message board anecdotes for broad judgements. There is a huge amount of real evidence demonstrating that they are highly effective, on average. But there is also quite a wide variance, so some people will see little or no benefit, which I guess could well be a reason for the anecdotes.
 
ColinUK said:
I doubt I'd qualify to be honest. I don't even meet the threshold for getting on to REWIND.

Also I'd rather do this without medical intervention because there's a lesson to be learnt and I suspect it'd be harder to do so with semaglutides.
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Cool.

Anyway, you can wait until they start putting it in the drinking water. (Joke!)
 
Most definitely not going to weigh myself every day however I’m half a kilo down this morning from yesterday.

That’s 101.7kg btw
 
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Fabulous, well done Col! 🙂 I am yet to start of course. There was a left over jar of curry sauce in the fridge so I had it with toast... like you do if you're a crazy lady at death's door. I will start asap. No choice, I feel horrendous and can't do anything now and I want to get in the garden. I might have to resort to prayers. In fact, I don't know why I haven't as they seem to work for everything else. I chopped my hand on an Ambrosia rice pudding tin and it's healing nicely now thank you powers that be. :D

Good luck for today...
 
Three shakes and a nosh on a cucumber (ooh Matron!) with some baba ganoush and easily hit my additional water target of two litres already.

And I’d forgotten how much the early days of the Newcastle diet turn me into a version of that famous Belgian statue!
 
100.9kg down from 101.7 yesterday.
 
ColinUK said:
And I’d forgotten how much the early days of the Newcastle diet turn me into a version of that famous Belgian statue!
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It makes you get naked & urinate in public? The NHS is going to have some explaining to do ...
 
I am making a start today. I nearly ate a fudge by mistake but son stopped me. The thing is I thought it was a Haribo and I was still gonna eat it, horrid cow heel sweeties yuck. I am starting with one milk shake and go from there. You are most inspirational C. 🙂
 
@Ditto I find that we all inspire each other on this forum. In so many ways.
That’s why I am grateful to be here.
 
Bit of a wobble yesterday due to the update from the police but today's gone right back on track. Had a salad for a late breakfast and have had a shake and a litre of water already.

Feeling quite pleased with myself that I have managed to get through the lawyers meeting this morning and work this afternoon. And my new specs are very odd - the weird distortions will take a bit of getting used to I'm sure. I'll be venturing out in the them after work this afternoon so that's going to be fun! Just need to relax and settle into them I guess.

Didn't weigh myself today but will weigh tomorrow. I'm expecting it to be a little up on yesterday as I did eat my feelings last night.
 
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