Weight loss ups and downs - 800 Calorie - Newcastle

travellor

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Excellent news. I hope many others have the same success now the treatment is being rolled out by the NHS.
 

ColinUK

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Hopefully it’s going to stop GP’s saying that people should just “shut up and take the tablets” and “there’s no point saying you’re going to diet as you’ll never do it”
 

ColinUK

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87.1kg this morning. I tried to think light thoughts to see if I could coax the scales to 86.9 but to no avail today. I’m rather chuffed with 87.1kg though!

Checked BF and that’s still a bit higher than where I’d like it to be but it’s down a lot on where it was. Today it’s 27.9% and that’s down from 37% so a huge improvement but further to go I’m sure.
 

zuludog

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Well done on your continued progress!

I'm resisting the temptation to weigh myself too often, I usually do it first thing every Monday morning, naked (don't let me put you off your dinner) and before I've had anything to eat or drink

But please, what is BF?
All I can think of is Body Fat, and if that is the case, how do you measure it at home?
 

ColinUK

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I find it easier to motivate myself with daily weigh-ins. And they’re naked too because every gram counts!

BF is body fat. I’ve got digital scales so all I need to do is step on them and it spits out a whole bunch of data.
 

zuludog

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Thanks

I also have digital scales, but they're simple ones that just give weight, though I can choose Imperial or Metric

I worked in a factory and there was a platform scale in one corner so it was easy to just step onto it to weigh myself; that's how I got used to kg
They went up to 200kg, but I never needed to go that high!
 

travellor

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Hopefully it’s going to stop GP’s saying that people should just “shut up and take the tablets” and “there’s no point saying you’re going to diet as you’ll never do it”
I never had that.
Mine were amazingly supportive.

Now the VLCD is a recognised treatment to reverse diabetes, the roll out and take up should be even better hopefully.
 

trophywench

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@travellor - last comment made my laugh - cos an awful lot of T2s have recognised it for a long time, it's the NHS which has dragged its heels by and large.

I'm awfully sorry - I'm not generally anything "-ist" but last Tuesday having a session with a DSN I've known for over 20 years by now when she asked me to sit down 'on the blue chair' I commented 'these two seater settees ..... still drive me batty!' - the seat squab is far longer than my upper leg and always has been. Not whatever comfortable cos I'm a short arse anyway apart from not being very wide side to side! I cried several times in hospital a couple of years ago with one leg plastered ankle to thigh and unable to reach the cot sides to haul myself up the bed, which it wasn't possible to flatten more so the tilt constantly made me slide to the bottom. Bloody nightmare now smaller people have to all suffer the consequences of other people being too large. There has surely got to be some middle ground? Cos there have always been shedloads of folk bigger than me in every direction. End of rant. (For now.)
 

travellor

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@travellor - last comment made my laugh - cos an awful lot of T2s have recognised it for a long time, it's the NHS which has dragged its heels by and large.

I'm awfully sorry - I'm not generally anything "-ist" but last Tuesday having a session with a DSN I've known for over 20 years by now when she asked me to sit down 'on the blue chair' I commented 'these two seater settees ..... still drive me batty!' - the seat squab is far longer than my upper leg and always has been. Not whatever comfortable cos I'm a short arse anyway apart from not being very wide side to side! I cried several times in hospital a couple of years ago with one leg plastered ankle to thigh and unable to reach the cot sides to haul myself up the bed, which it wasn't possible to flatten more so the tilt constantly made me slide to the bottom. Bloody nightmare now smaller people have to all suffer the consequences of other people being too large. There has surely got to be some middle ground? Cos there have always been shedloads of folk bigger than me in every direction. End of rant. (For now.)
Well, I know being obese was the prime cause of my T2. I'm not entirely sure "an awful lot of T2's" would agree with your label though.
 

ColinUK

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Slight uptick today with an 87.5 but planning on fasting today so I should ease under the 86kg threshold by tomorrow.
 

ColinUK

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Well, I know being obese was the prime cause of my T2. I'm not entirely sure "an awful lot of T2's" would agree with your label though.
Many T2’s recognise that the support they get from their GP and from the DN too often is outdated and doesn’t encourage regular testing at home let alone anything like a VLCD or even a LCHF diet but pushes towards medication as the answer. Even though we know it isn’t (edited: “always - some rely on a combination of medication and diet”).
 
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Ditto

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I did that AskMyGP thing and asked them if I could go on the new NHS liquid diet. This was the reply. Waste of time, they'll only tell me same ol' same ol'.

Dear Mrs Bird, thank you for your message which has been passed on to me, although I don't think we have ever met. I note that you last HbA1C level in January 2020 was satisfactory at 44. I think it would be helpful to arrange to have your weight/height/BMI updated as I note that this was last done by Dr Pole in Dec 2019. Could I suggest that you arrange to see one of our Practice Nurses to have these measurements checked so that the situation can be updated. Once that's done, I would advise you make contact with one of the GP's to discuss the possibility of a referral to the dieticians, etc. Hope that helps. Best wishes, Dr Brand
 

Docb

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Many T2’s recognise that the support they get from their GP and from the DN too often is outdated and doesn’t encourage regular testing at home let alone anything like a VLCD or even a LCHF diet but pushes towards medication as the answer. Even though we know it isn’t.
Hi @ColinUK. Totally agree with your sentiment but can I suggest a modification to your last sentence? I would rather it said... "Even though we know it isn't always so."

There are some, myself included, who have found that the answer is in LCHF + medication. I will grant you that the amount of medication is a hell of a lot less than that I would otherwise be taking.
 

travellor

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Slight uptick today with an 87.5 but planning on fasting today so I should ease under the 86kg threshold by tomorrow.
Fasting?
Did you finish the VLCD or switch to a different regime?
 

grovesy

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I did that AskMyGP thing and asked them if I could go on the new NHS liquid diet. This was the reply. Waste of time, they'll only tell me same ol' same ol'.

Dear Mrs Bird, thank you for your message which has been passed on to me, although I don't think we have ever met. I note that you last HbA1C level in January 2020 was satisfactory at 44. I think it would be helpful to arrange to have your weight/height/BMI updated as I note that this was last done by Dr Pole in Dec 2019. Could I suggest that you arrange to see one of our Practice Nurses to have these measurements checked so that the situation can be updated. Once that's done, I would advise you make contact with one of the GP's to discuss the possibility of a referral to the dieticians, etc. Hope that helps. Best wishes, Dr Brand
Sorry but if the Doctor has not meet you I agree, they need to review you.
 

travellor

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Sorry but if the Doctor has not meet you I agree, they need to review you.
No doctor should prescribe any major treatment without this. I liased with my HCP at every step of my journey from diagnosis to reversal. I still attend all reviews every year.
 

ColinUK

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I did that AskMyGP thing and asked them if I could go on the new NHS liquid diet. This was the reply. Waste of time, they'll only tell me same ol' same ol'.

Dear Mrs Bird, thank you for your message which has been passed on to me, although I don't think we have ever met. I note that you last HbA1C level in January 2020 was satisfactory at 44. I think it would be helpful to arrange to have your weight/height/BMI updated as I note that this was last done by Dr Pole in Dec 2019. Could I suggest that you arrange to see one of our Practice Nurses to have these measurements checked so that the situation can be updated. Once that's done, I would advise you make contact with one of the GP's to discuss the possibility of a referral to the dieticians, etc. Hope that helps. Best wishes, Dr Brand
Seems like an eminently wise response. All they’re doing is suggesting measuring the baseline and then referring you to a specialist from there.
 

travellor

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I throw in the odd IF alongside the VLCD
Did you reverse your diabetes, or is the diet still ongoing?
Reading the thread, and the dates, did you do the full eight weeks on shakes, or start on a food diet, switch to VLCD, then move onto low carb food again?

I was wary of any change, as I did it right at the start when Professor Taylor was just making the news and no one actually understood the mechanisms behind his discovery.
 
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