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Mine doesn't and I think lots don't.

The fix for the situation currently with doctors and nurses is to fix pay and conditions properly instead of hiving off consequences of the problem to those less experienced, like pharmacists and PAs who by dint of their lack of experience might treat the (for example) UTI as a primary problem and not look to see if it is in fact a secondary one.
 
Good day all. 8 two days running. 🙂 Hope you're all having a good Saturday.
 
Mine doesn't and I think lots don't.

The fix for the situation currently with doctors and nurses is to fix pay and conditions properly instead of hiving off consequences of the problem to those less experienced, like pharmacists and PAs who by dint of their lack of experience might treat the (for example) UTI as a primary problem and not look to see if it is in fact a secondary one.
The pharmacists who are allowed to prescribe ABs and certain other drugs hold the same qualifications as Independent Nurse Prescribers - they are properly qualified and registered in addition to their Pharmacy qualifications. Whilst I can see this helping GPs with their workload I feel it's actually only moving the problem to over-worked pharmacists.

Independent prescribers are nurses who have successfully completed an NMC Independent Nurse Prescribing Course (also known as a v200 or v300 course) and are registered with the NMC as an IP. They are able to prescribe any medicine provided it is in their competency to do so. This includes medicines and products listed in the BNF, unlicensed medicines and all controlled drugs in schedules two - five.


Those who have successfully completed the supplementary part of the prescribing course are also able to prescribe against a clinical management plan. Supplementary prescribing is described by the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) as:


"a voluntary partnership between an Independent Prescriber (IP-er) and a supplementary prescriber (SP-er)," (e.g. nurse, pharmacist) "to implement an agreed patient-specific clinical management plan (CMP) with the patient's agreement."
 
I appreciate they're qualified. But qualification isn't experience. My point is that to be a GP, they have to have a huge breadth of experience. If you go to the not-GP and say 'I have a UTI' they'll almost certainly look for the UTI.
I doubt they'd consider secondary or tertiary causes, because they won't be generalists.
 
Nothing says "respect for patients" quite like having to discuss your UTI in front of all the queuing customers because those in power defund the NHS seemingly as policy.
You don’t have to discuss anything with a pharmacist in front of anyone else.
Those who can prescribe are meant to have some private consulting room.
 
In light of the mention of pharmacists and their being able to prescribe meds directly I thought this, from today’s i might be interesting:

I run a pharmacy and we’re struggling to cope – understaffing, underfunding, and more to do


This week the NHS rolls out more responsibilities to pharmacies for administering medication, but for some it compounds existing issues


February 3, 2024 6:00 am (Updated February 3, 2024 6:01 am)


This week NHS England launched Pharmacy First, expanding the services that pharmacists offer to patients. Patients will now be able to receive treatment for seven treatments without needing to see a GP – sinusitis, sore throat, earache, infected insect bite, impetigo, shingles and uncomplicated UTIs. Over 10,000 community pharmacies have signed up to deliver the service. But there are concerns from those inside the profession around ability to deliver while still managing understaffing, underfunding, medicine shortages and increased pressure.


i spoke to Anil Sharma, an independent community pharmacy owner and Community Pharmacy England’s Regional Representative for East of England, to hear his perspective on the rollout.


I’m a pharmacist and I own eightpharmacies, including a small community village pharmacy outside of Cambridge where I spend my days. For the past couple of months I’ve been preparing for Pharmacy First, where patients can get antibiotics from a pharmacist for seven conditions.


For patients, GPs, the NHS, it’s a brilliant idea – it gives patients what they need, takes the burden off GPs and saves the NHS time and hospital resources. It helps people understand that pharmacies are not just people counting pills – we have a whole range of experience, expertise and skills that have been underused for decades.


More than 10,000 NHS pharmacies – a 96 per cent sign up rate – have registered to Pharmacy First and they will try to deliver it to the best of their ability. We’ve done the training and we’re ready for launch, and we’re expecting a huge influx of patients, especially at pharmacies in the cities where it’s far harder to see a GP.


But I don’t have the time, money or resources, to do more than two to three hours of Pharmacy First appointments each day.


Why? Funding, as ever. NHS England has funded us an additional £15 per consultation – you wouldn’t get a GP doing a consultation for that [every GP session is between 12-18 patients and GPs are paid between £9,000 and £12,500 a session]. It barely covers our costs. I could do a private weight management service or travel vaccination service and make £150 in the same time.


If the Government and the NHS had funded us correctly, we would have put private services on the backburner and opened Pharmacy First six hours a day. Funding and workforce have been a big problem since 2016, when our funding for dispensing decreased, where it’s remained since – in real terms that’s a decrease of 30 per cent. That’s just not sustainable and that’s why pharmacies are closing.


We want to help the NHS, we want to try and stop people going to hospitals because they can’t see their GPs. But we have to make tough choices.


It doesn’t help that we’ve lost a lot of our quality workforce to GPs because the pay is better, and so the only people who apply for our vacancies now are people who’ve never worked in a pharmacy before.


I had someone apply for a job recently who currently works in a garden centre. I told her the pharmacy job only pays minimum wage and she said that’s what she gets at the garden centre, but there I only sell plants, I can’t harm anyone. But in the pharmacy if I give them the wrong drug they might end up in hospital.


She said she didn’t want to take that risk without getting paid more, but I couldn’t afford to. I told her that if I was her I’d stay at the garden centre.


That’s the harsh reality. The Government fails to realise that we’re not just competing with other NHS providers who are getting better funding, we’re competing with our local garden centres. A lot of the skilled workers have left, and then you’re left hiring people who you have to train quickly with the help of full-time staff who are already under pressure because we’re short staffed. The only staff that can stand the stressful environment now are historic staff who are used to working in a pharmacy, used to the pressures, and they love caring for people.


If you’re not strong-willed, mentally strong, physically fit, you can’t survive this for long. You’ll burn out. You’ll have a nervous breakdown. And you’ll leave the profession.


I’ve been doing this for 25 years. We are embedded in the communities and we want to help them first and foremost. But if you’re not invested in the pharmacy like I am with my pharmacies, why would you stay?
 
You don’t have to discuss anything with a pharmacist in front of anyone else.
Those who can prescribe are meant to have some private consulting room.
Yeah they're meant to. Do they always? Whereas in a GP's surgery, it's implicit.
 
In light of the mention of pharmacists and their being able to prescribe meds directly I thought this, from today’s i might be interesting:

I run a pharmacy and we’re struggling to cope – understaffing, underfunding, and more to do

This week the NHS rolls out more responsibilities to pharmacies for administering medication, but for some it compounds existing issues
[...]
If the Government and the NHS had funded us correctly, we would have put private services on the backburner and opened Pharmacy First six hours a day. Funding and workforce have been a big problem since 2016, when our funding for dispensing decreased, where it’s remained since – in real terms that’s a decrease of 30 per cent. That’s just not sustainable and that’s why pharmacies are closing.
Funding again. I get that you're a pharmacist trying your best. But like I said, the stress of prescribing shouldn't be put on pharmacies in the first place. There should be enough GPs.
 
I appreciate they're qualified. But qualification isn't experience. My point is that to be a GP, they have to have a huge breadth of experience. If you go to the not-GP and say 'I have a UTI' they'll almost certainly look for the UTI.
I doubt they'd consider secondary or tertiary causes, because they won't be generalists.
Nor do GPs at least some of the time. Continuity of care has taken a nose dive where different Doctors are treating a patient without prior knowledge of their whole medical history - unlike when a family doctor was just that. A short while ago a GP administered a treatment to me which, combined with other conditions/medications that he knew about, but didn't put together holistically resulted in me being admitted to hospital where I stayed for 5 days. At present the whole medical profession is under stress and that includes the pharmacies. I think the discussion is getting somewhat emotive - my final word is that allowing pharmacists to prescribe under controlled circumstances would probably be a good idea if it were not that they are severely constrained by time and stress. Colin's post explains this very well.

I cannot disagree that there are not enough doctors.
 
I appreciate they're qualified. But qualification isn't experience. My point is that to be a GP, they have to have a huge breadth of experience. If you go to the not-GP and say 'I have a UTI' they'll almost certainly look for the UTI.
I doubt they'd consider secondary or tertiary causes, because they won't be generalists.
On the other hand I went to the GP about my shoulder and he texted to ask for a urine sample and decided I had a UTI and prescribed antibiotics. My dip sticks at home showed nothing nor did the lab results.
The pharmacist often picks up errors made by the GPs in prescribing so don't knock them.
 
Evening all. Extremely late on parade today. Yesterday afternoon/evening i had a problem keeping my BS above hypo. Overnight the graph says i shot to 15! I can't remember my waking reading but it was something like 12. At least its come down now and been in the 7s all day.

I went to the hospital today to see mum. She's like a pin cushion bless her. They're taking daily bloods atm and her hands and arms are awfully bruised. She's really fed up now though theres no sign of her coming home yet.

@eggy i hope everything goes ok with your daughter.
 
Late to the show today, been really busy all day and only just now back at home. Anyway, 4.9 on waking and a good day in range - no lunch whilst out and I stayed around mid 6s all day until on checking before coming back home I saw it had risen to 8.4. Why’s this I thought? Then I remembered I had a lime cordial whilst out which obviously must have had a fair bit of sugar in it!

Home alone tonight as my wife is going out to an 18th birthday party for one of the children from her children’s home (we had been to the venue this afternoon after getting food from Costco to set the room out for the party). May just have a quiet evening reading for a change.

@Lily123 - congratulations on your HS!

@Pattidevans - thanks for the reassurance about the appointment. Never thought of anything like an ulcer. Definitely something not quite right as after eating tonight I had a feeling in my throat like I needed to burp to relieve pressure. Luckily it passed quite quickly and I’m back to feeling ok again.

@ColinUK - as you say, if the appointment is not until October then it can’t be anything serious. Shame the GP can’t just deal with it, but it seems that the NHS really is creaking now sadly.

@eggyg - hope all goes well for your daughter tomorrow.

@Seales18 - welcome to this thread!

Hope everyone had a good day and enjoys their evening!
 
Good morning everyone.

BG 5.1 round and round that HS pole I dance 🙂

For 2 days running my lying weight scales say I have lost 0.3Kg. Happy with that but I know that the scales can lie more than the BG meter!!! Perhaps they are a special type 'wishful thinking' weight scales. 🙂. Mind you on both days I exercised for over 3 hours, maybe that has somethinng to do with it... nah! Does the brain weigh less in its own wishful thinking mode I wonder. Does this call for massive government expense on a huge scientific test of the theory? 🙂

Today church, more exercise, keyboard practice.

And a surprise at the church practice last night, I have been asked to play next Sunday. I'd better learn what those white and black bits do then! 🙂

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Have a great day today whatever you are doing.
 
Morning all.

6.5

The highlight for today is taking stuff to the dump!
 
Morning campers!

Clickety click 6.6 for me today. Bit breezy out, but not as cold as it has been. Got too warm for my jumper after the dog walk so I’m sat in a tee shirt. not sire how long that will last!
 
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