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Who will be the next Prime Minister?

You think that its bad in the UK

Here in Portugal the ex PM Socrates stole (sorry, allegedly laundered) millions and after a 6 year official 'Operation Marquês' the state's prosecution case was pretty much thrown out by the judge (who, my wife tells me, is a friend of the ex PM). There were only two judges in the judicial section that could have dealt with the case, and this Ivo Rosa was chosen by an electronic lottery. Video footage of the actual 'lottery' released (leaked?) later showed the laptop choosing one, then immediately an 'unexpected error' window popped up and then on the second attempt it chose Ivo Rosa

By the way, Portugal is in Europe, not South America :D

Then we have Ricardo Salgado the Banker who was able to flee to S.A. after being convicted of multi-million fraud and his extremely expensive art collection was left by the state to be 'looked after' by his wife in his mansion. When he fled and they were pressurised to confiscate the art, it turns out that loads was missing and even more had been replaced with copies 'of such a low level that even a layman could see they were forgeries'

and then there is ...
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So, although I completely agree with the sentiment that pretty much all UK politicians of all flavours are just career driven moral vacuums (how many of them have actually worked?), perhaps the above might make you feel better

The thought that a politician would fall here because of a party (no matter what the circumstances) here is laughable given what they know they can get away with

Funnliy enough the worst for old-boy networks here is the centre left party (that Socrates was from)
But there are loads of family webs that cross party boundaries and reach into the media

Its all sown up tighter than my bum would be if I had to do a ski jump
 
Inka said:
People who’d make good PMs generally don’t ant to do it. There’s a quote about that somewhere…
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This one?

“It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

Douglas Adams
 
That question doesn’t really apply in Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon’s dad was an electrician, her mum a dental nurse. She’s the First Minister in Scotland because most people in Scotland know she cares about people. And is one of them.
 
Amity Island said:
To me it looks like they thought all the restrictions were not necessary and thus continued to live their lives free of restrictions. If that is the case, then what were the reasons for all the restrictions?
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The reason for all the restrictions were there was to help the suppression of the spread of Covid - there was no vaccine program at that time. The reason they thought they could ignore them is due to the feeling of entitlement, that there was no one law for the peasants but that didn’t apply to the exalted folk in the government.

Just to show how thick these folk are, it takes a Civil Service investigation to tell them whether they were at a party and not a work meeting. Most people know the difference if they are told to BYOB in the invite. Boris knew that party was on, because he turned up at exactly the right time when it started.
 
everydayupsanddowns said:
This one?

“It is a well-known fact that those people who most want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”

Douglas Adams
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Heh,heh …some people might substitute ‘admin’ for president !
 
mikeyB said:
That question doesn’t really apply in Scotland. Nicola Sturgeon’s dad was an electrician, her mum a dental nurse. She’s the First Minister in Scotland because most people in Scotland know she cares about people. And is one of them.
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She’s First Minister in Scotland because most Scots have chip on the shoulder about England ;-)
 
Burylancs said:
She’s First Minister in Scotland because most Scots have chip on the shoulder about England ;-)
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No they don’t have a chip on the shoulder about England, but they have suffered 60 years of enduring the policies of governments in London that they haven’t voted for. Remember, Thatcher thought she’d try out the poll tax in Scotland for a year before it was introduced in England. Mind, I don’t think many folk paid it.

It’s not the English that the Scots don’t like, it’s the numpties you vote into power.
 
mikeyB said:
No they don’t have a chip on the shoulder about England, but they have suffered 60 years of enduring the policies of governments in London that they haven’t voted for.
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That's just untrue. Scotland voted heavily for Labour Govts - 1964-70, 1974-79, 1997-2010. UK couldn't have a Labour Govt without Scottish support. In the 1997 election Labour Govt took 46% of vote and 56 of 72 seats. Labour's Scottish fiefdom was a huge pillar of support for Labour govts - Blair, Brown. MacMillan, Douglas Home - four Scottish PMs in the last 60 years !
You get the impression today that most English don't give two hoots about Scotland and are baffled by all the whining and insults coming from north of the border. Perhaps we should have Referendum here about Scotland. There might be a majority for booting Scotland out of the UK, saw it off the end and let drift away into the North Atlantic. Might save the English taxpayer a lot.
 
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Rubbish. If Scotland becoming independent saved the English taxpayer a lot, why are the government (and Labour) so against the idea? Because that notion is untrue. And because the electric power used in Scotland often reaches 100% renewable ( and with new offshore wind farms just announced, that will be 200%) the UK can claim all sorts of great figures about how much renewables are produced in the UK only by including the Scottish figures.

And if Scotland is to become independent, England will have to find somewhere to store its illegal nuclear weapons and submarines other than in Faslane. That will cost the English taxpayer a fortune, to say nothing about easing the fear of those unfortunate people in the Clyde estuary that they were on the target list of Cold War enemies.
 
mikeyB said:
Rubbish. If Scotland becoming independent saved the English taxpayer a lot, why are the government (and Labour) so against the idea? Because that notion is untrue. And because the electric power used in Scotland often reaches 100% renewable ( and with new offshore wind farms just announced, that will be 200%) the UK can claim all sorts of great figures about how much renewables are produced in the UK only by including the Scottish figures.

And if Scotland is to become independent, England will have to find somewhere to store its illegal nuclear weapons and submarines other than in Faslane. That will cost the English taxpayer a fortune, to say nothing about easing the fear of those unfortunate people in the Clyde estuary that they were on the target list of Cold War enemies.
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In 2019 Scotland raised 66billion in tax. The UK Govt gave Scotland 81 billion. The 15 billion gap didn't come from fresh air, it came from the long suffering English taxpayer. Some people would argue that Scotland is a 'Failed State', spending £15 billion more than it's income with 40% of its people employed by the state and 40% living in social housing.
 
Burylancs said:
In 2019 Scotland raised 66billion in tax. The UK Govt gave Scotland 81 billion. The 15 billion gap didn't come from fresh air, it came from the long suffering English taxpayer. Some people would argue that Scotland is a 'Failed State', spending £15 billion more than it's income with 40% of its people employed by the state and 40% living in social housing.
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I simply don’t know where you get those statistics from. I’ve lived in Scotland and for sure I don’t recognise the 40% living in social housing or the 40% employed by the state. And that £15bn gap is not fresh air, as you say. It’s all the fuel tax, National Insurance, tax on booze. There is no gap, just double accounting.

It’s all a myth, created to support the union. The population of Scotland is bigger than Ireland, Norway, Finland and many other independent countries, all moving along quite happily.

And you are seeing a failed state being created in England, which will be worsened when the feed of money is cut from Scotland. As I said, England can’t afford to let Scotland go, it has too many resources that profit England. And provide a “remote” place to park its nuclear weapons and submarines that’s far from London.
 
Apart from the sites in Wales, and England, nearest one 50 miles away from London you mean?
And moving the fleet out of Scotland may be on the cards, to bring the spend and the jobs back into England, before independence is brought into the mix, making it likely it has to move anyway?
 
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Whatever .... I don't suppose for a single moment that some motley crew of PWD will be making the decisions, anyway.
 
Maybe we should take a leaf out of Ukraine's book. Zelenski seems to be playing a blinder and he came into the job through comedy, film making and their version of Strictly. Don't envy him his job and certainly would (Edited to add...that should read wouldn't..... no idea where the n't disappeared to) wish those circumstances on anyone, but you have to admit he has the world's admiration.
Following that sort of thinking, I would vote for Bill Bailey as Prime Minister any day of the week.
 
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Amity Island said:
Next PM - It's looking that it's more unlikely to be Kier Starmer if he get's a fine.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Starmer vows to quit as Labour leader if police fine him over Beergate

Keir Starmer gave a statement after spending hours hunkered down with aides trying to decide how to handle the mounting crisis over the boozy curry event in April last year.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
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Bad news for Boris, if Keir resigns because of a fine, Boris will have to resign as well. Keir would probably get re-elected Boris might not.
 
There are 3 or 4 candidates circling warily but the assassin doesn't usually win the crown in the Tory Party. Hunt has come out against Boris but he has nothing to lose. Boris stabbed Rishi in the back with the tax revelations and put him out of it. We don't know what negotiations between Truss, Wallace, Gove, Sunak and Hunt are going on all today. Is Britain, the Tory Backwoods, ready for an Asian Heritage PM such as Sunak, Zahawi or Sajid ?
 
Amity Island said:
Anyone got any guesses (or preferences) on next PM? (if it is a vote of no confidence AND pm does accept it)
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Couple of by-election coming up where torys are in power, one is MP who was watching porn on phone in commons, sure to lose both but wether that gets rid of greasy Johnston is another matter.

Think dishy Rishi is damaged goods also so not likely to stand or get elected.
 
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