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Week 30 results

Blood sugars are fine, but weight is creeping up
I've addressed the reduction in activity, but this isn't making any difference.
It's lack of control on snacks.
After Xmas I might have a few days on 800 calories or try the 5:2 or something

But for now, I'm taking it easy - have a great (sugar free) Christmas

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This is what always happened to me when I was put onto diets by my GPs - I suspect it is pretty standard, as the diet itself is standard, not fitted to an individual's specific requirements for weight loss.
 
Happy New Year!

Well Christmas holidays involved a bit of socialising (Covid permitting) and friends and family brought desserts and chocolate into the house - which illustrated that my will power isn't up to the task. So my weight is drifting up.

I have a cunning plan, which is a new rule: I can not have a beer until my weight is under 80.5kg / in the Beer Zone for two days in one week. Seems easier than a dry January or a weight target
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Despite a few lapses (Lindt LINDOR Maxi Ball Chocolate Truffles, half my brother-in-laws cheese cake, lots of beer) blood sugars seem okay

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I did a 'Year in Review' look at my FitBit data. Yes December activity is low, but much better than December 2020

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This is what always happened to me when I was put onto diets by my GPs - I suspect it is pretty standard, as the diet itself is standard, not fitted to an individual's specific requirements for weight loss.

Can't argue with that.
If you were put onto a diet by your GP, but let the snacks creep back in, yes, the weight loss stops.
 
Week 30 results

Blood sugars are fine, but weight is creeping up
I've addressed the reduction in activity, but this isn't making any difference.
It's lack of control on snacks.
After Xmas I might have a few days on 800 calories or try the 5:2 or something

But for now, I'm taking it easy - have a great (sugar free) Christmas

I just had a good Christmas, happily snacked away, and drank.
Back on the Newcastle diet now.
A few weeks excess followed buy a few weeks reduction works for me.
 
I just had a good Christmas, happily snacked away, and drank.
Back on the Newcastle diet now.
A few weeks excess followed buy a few weeks reduction works for me.
Hmm. Back on 800 calories a day? I suppose I should give this option serious consideration. Are you able to carry on down the gym on 800?
 
Hmm. Back on 800 calories a day? I suppose I should give this option serious consideration. Are you able to carry on down the gym on 800?

I found it a very easy diet to do.
And remarkably fast and efficient.
I've swapped the evening salad for a stew while it's winter this time, not summer.
I'm probably not hitting the full 800 calories, as I seem to have settled out at two shakes, and using veggies, no fat, no meat in the stew, so it's surprisingly filling.
I do intend to start putting quorn mince in eventually though.
Just keeping an eye on the nutrients and minerals.
I'm still keeping the gym up as well.
Aqua aerobics tonight as well.
In fact more, as that's part of the New Year Resolution.
 
I found it a very easy diet to do.
And remarkably fast and efficient.
I've swapped the evening salad for a stew while it's winter this time, not summer.
I'm probably not hitting the full 800 calories, as I seem to have settled out at two shakes, and using veggies, no fat, no meat in the stew, so it's surprisingly filling.
I do intend to start putting quorn mince in eventually though.
Just keeping an eye on the nutrients and minerals.
I'm still keeping the gym up as well.
Aqua aerobics tonight as well.
In fact more, as that's part of the New Year Resolution.
The nice thing about the shakes is you know that nutrients etc are all included. If I've not lost 0.75kg by next Tuesday I will take the plunge (81.7kg today) and do 2 weeks of shakes
 
The nice thing about the shakes is you know that nutrients etc are all included. If I've not lost 0.75kg by next Tuesday I will take the plunge (81.7kg today) and do 2 weeks of shakes

I found diabetes a wake up call more than anything.
I had an "enjoyable" lifestyle, but excessive.
Now I'm thinner, more muscular, eat less generally, and enjoy various sports.
So, so long as I keep the weight off, that can continue.

I can still enjoy "excesses" like anyone, but so long as I keep in shape now my lifestyle can continue.
So just playing catch up on lockdown and Christmas, sitting on the sofa too much, with the only exercise was walking to the fridge!
 
Can't argue with that.
If you were put onto a diet by your GP, but let the snacks creep back in, yes, the weight loss stops.
I always followed the diet exactly as printed, but even the most severely low calorie ones gradually became ineffective as my metabolism slowed down.
Now - after decades of being told to eat low calorie my energy levels drop if I don't eat twice a day. I still only require a small amount of food, but it must be at 12 hourly intervals.
 
I always followed the diet exactly as printed, but even the most severely low calorie ones gradually became ineffective as my metabolism slowed down.
Now - after decades of being told to eat low calorie my energy levels drop if I don't eat twice a day. I still only require a small amount of food, but it must be at 12 hourly intervals.

We were on about snacks creeping in, you seemed to agree they did for you.
However, if you didn't mean that, no idea what you were agreeing with though.

Personally I just binged out over Christmas by choice, now it's time to pay the piper.
My metabolism will cope, it doesn't slow, it just reacts normally.
I can happily eat, over eat, or under eat any time of day.
Possibly the confusion comes from as people lose weight, their required calorie intake decreases?

When I was diagnosed, my calorie intake should have been around 2700 to maintain my (excess) weight.
As I have lost a lot, I now require around 2200 calories on a maintenance diet.

Possibly that's why you think everyone's metabolism slows?
It doesn't really, you simply need to continue to decrease calories as you lose weight.
 
We were on about snacks creeping in, you seemed to agree they did for you.
However, if you didn't mean that, no idea what you were agreeing with though.

Personally I just binged out over Christmas by choice, now it's time to pay the piper.
My metabolism will cope, it doesn't slow, it just reacts normally.
I can happily eat, over eat, or under eat any time of day.
Possibly the confusion comes from as people lose weight, their required calorie intake decreases?

When I was diagnosed, my calorie intake should have been around 2700 to maintain my (excess) weight.
As I have lost a lot, I now require around 2200 calories on a maintenance diet.

Possibly that's why you think everyone's metabolism slows?
It doesn't really, you simply need to continue to decrease calories as you lose weight.
No, I'm afraid that I never wrote anything of the kind. You must be misremembering - maybe someone else's post?
I was given diet sheets for calorie counts under 1000 calories a day by one GP back in the 1970s - I kept fainting away at work whenever I tried to do anything strenuous.
The contestants on that American show - the Biggest Loser were monitored after their stint and they mostly showed reduced metabolic rates - and they said that was one reason for diets failing.
 
No, I'm afraid that I never wrote anything of the kind. You must be misremembering - maybe someone else's post?
I was given diet sheets for calorie counts under 1000 calories a day by one GP back in the 1970s - I kept fainting away at work whenever I tried to do anything strenuous.
The contestants on that American show - the Biggest Loser were monitored after their stint and they mostly showed reduced metabolic rates - and they said that was one reason for diets failing.
Kevin Hall who led that Biggest Loser study has this new reflection on the meaning of the results:
It's really interesing!

The reduction in resting metabolic rate (RMR), beyond what would be expected from simply losing weight, seems to be linked to the amount of exercise. Generally, participants who managed to sustain weight loss also did a lot of continuous exercise, and also showed the biggest reduction in RMR beyond expected levels.

This reduction actually now seems to be due to the exercise - building on Herman Pontzer's energy adapation work.

In other words, losing weight via dieting doesn't "unduly slow down the metabolism" as a lot of the commentary at the time suggested. It's actually exercise which slows it down, which might seem counter-intuitive.

(It's also not fully explained but certainly exercise generally leads to a reduction in chronic inflammation, and that must be a part of it.)

The big reason for weight regain after dieting isn't this reduction in RMR: generally participants with the biggest long-term reductions in RMR sustained the most weight loss. What does cause weight regain is the appetitie feed-back loop: generally your bod+brain want you to put the weight back on, and long term you may continue to feel as hungry as you did while you were losing the weight in the first place.

This is a grim scenario, but it's where exercise comes in to the picture: the extra calories burned from exercise can balance the excess calories eaten due to the persistent appetite effect. Without the exercise, weight stacks back on, not because of some fundamental slowing-down of the metabolism, but just for the boring old reason, more calories in than calories burned.



For me: I've sustained weight loss for 3 years now, and I think walking for ~2 hours a day has probably played a big part in that. (Hall's study showed participants sustaining weight loss long-term generally did ~90 min moderate exercise a day.)

Also: carbs have no special role in any of this; it's all just calories.




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And everybody continued to eat as much as before (below), mregardless of activity levels and weight loss. The most active people had lower RMR and the same calorie intake, but the increase in activity balanced this out. The less active people had higher RMR and the same calorie intake, but not enough activity to balance things => weight regain.


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No, I'm afraid that I never wrote anything of the kind. You must be misremembering - maybe someone else's post?
I was given diet sheets for calorie counts under 1000 calories a day by one GP back in the 1970s - I kept fainting away at work whenever I tried to do anything strenuous.
The contestants on that American show - the Biggest Loser were monitored after their stint and they mostly showed reduced metabolic rates - and they said that was one reason for diets failing.

It is literally what you wrote in post #201

Weekender - "It's lack of control on snacks"

You - "This is what always happened to me when I was put onto diets by my GPs"

Me as well, I chose to overeat over Christmas.

And certainly, as shown in the Biggest Loser study you refer to, exercise is certainly important in any lifestyle intervention, not just for diabetes, for any healthy life.
I'm happily on 600 to 800 calories now, and have still managed the gym and aqua aerobics.
To quote Kevin Hall - "They didn't "destroy their metabolism"!"

(Whether the aching legs will stop though..... These muscles haven't had this much exercise for months)
 
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'The Biggest Loser' study reinterpreted" was very interesting.
The observation in this study: : How strongly does appetite counter weight loss?

We discovered that weight loss leads to a proportional increase in appetite resulting in eating above baseline by ~100 kcal/day per kg of lost weight – an amount more than 3-fold larger than the corresponding energy expenditure adaptations.

Is a bit demoralising, so it's good to know increased activity offsets this.
And Biggest Loser participant had a 12% average weight loss after 6 years is not so bad

Last night's food intake was not a good start to meeting my target, at this rate I'll be joining you on the shakes
 

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'The Biggest Loser' study reinterpreted" was very interesting.
The observation in this study: : How strongly does appetite counter weight loss?

We discovered that weight loss leads to a proportional increase in appetite resulting in eating above baseline by ~100 kcal/day per kg of lost weight – an amount more than 3-fold larger than the corresponding energy expenditure adaptations.

Is a bit demoralising, so it's good to know increased activity offsets this.
And Biggest Loser participant had a 12% average weight loss after 6 years is not so bad

Last night's food intake was not a good start to meeting my target, at this rate I'll be joining you on the shakes

I would say that's to be expected.
People get used to eating.
Unfortunately as weight goes down, so does the maintenance calorie requirements.
So, if I had gone back to eating what I ate at my heaviest, I'd be in a 500 calorie excess.

I consider that to be the beauty of the Newcastle diet, as opposed to the "eat until you are satiated" methodology of other diets.
The Newcastle diet gave me a break with food, so I could grasp the nettle, and work out a smaller diet that suited my new weight.
No clever method, simply the scales and a mirror.
Mainly involving a lot less donuts!
So my mindset changed, food is something I still enjoy, I still live to eat, not eat to live.
And having said that, time for a banana slimfast!
 
It is literally what you wrote in post #201

Weekender - "It's lack of control on snacks"

You - "This is what always happened to me when I was put onto diets by my GPs"

Me as well, I chose to overeat over Christmas.

And certainly, as shown in the Biggest Loser study you refer to, exercise is certainly important in any lifestyle intervention, not just for diabetes, for any healthy life.
I'm happily on 600 to 800 calories now, and have still managed the gym and aqua aerobics.
To quote Kevin Hall - "They didn't "destroy their metabolism"!"

(Whether the aching legs will stop though..... These muscles haven't had this much exercise for months)
Ah I see - I tried to edit Weekender's post but I think the charts got in the way - no - I was agreeing with the observation that increasing activity did not help restart weightloss, which was the line before the one you selected.

I chose not to increase carbs at Christmas, but I tried to over eat, and found that I really did not want that amount of food on my plate. Some foods were not what I would have chosen but I caught Covid, the Omicron version I believe, so was isolating. There was chicken, beef, pork, a side of salmon, so it was not hard to give in and stay on plan.
 
Ah I see - I tried to edit Weekender's post but I think the charts got in the way - no - I was agreeing with the observation that increasing activity did not help restart weightloss, which was the line before the one you selected.

I chose not to increase carbs at Christmas, but I tried to over eat, and found that I really did not want that amount of food on my plate. Some foods were not what I would have chosen but I caught Covid, the Omicron version I believe, so was isolating. There was chicken, beef, pork, a side of salmon, so it was not hard to give in and stay on plan.

I think even your Biggest Loser story proves increasing activity certainly does benefit weight loss.
However each to their own interpretation of the posts Kevin Hall made.
 
Sorry @travellor - the posts made by Kevin Hall appear to show that the participants in the biggest loser really did have lowered metabolic rates (that is what I wrote) - the further information included in this thread pointing out the further analysis that the greater the effort put into doing exercise, the slower the weightloss.
Many people have tried to lose weight by exercising more and it seemed to work counter to expected, and this information seems to explain why.
 
- the further information included in this thread pointing out the further analysis that the greater the effort put into doing exercise, the slower the weightloss.
The study showed exactly the opposite of this.
 
Sorry @travellor - the posts made by Kevin Hall appear to show that the participants in the biggest loser really did have lowered metabolic rates (that is what I wrote) - the further information included in this thread pointing out the further analysis that the greater the effort put into doing exercise, the slower the weightloss.
Many people have tried to lose weight by exercising more and it seemed to work counter to expected, and this information seems to explain why.

Kevin Hall would disagree, he did say people choose to misinterpret it, however, I think people can decide from Kevin's words above now.
Clearly you disagree with his own conclusions, yet still seem to quote him agreeing with you.
 
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