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Journey 2 Remission/Reversal II (Don't call it a comeback).

Docb said:
@beating_my_betes - Please do not be so coy about your testing regime. I have had a couple of ideas about how to summarise blood glucose readings over the short term but have yet to come up with something I would put forward. It would be great to see which way you are going.
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Not being coy. It will all become clear soon enough. And it's nothing revolutionary - just trying to rule out as many variables as I can.
 
beating_my_betes said:
If it's the saturated fat, why would that differ between refined and wholefood carbs?

What do you mean by "low calories" that woudn't also be covered by reduced calories?

And exercise is good for various reasons, but not necessary for what I'm trying to achieve...at least, at the moment.

I'm not trying to be pedantic, or to single you out. But I think its important to distill these bigger claims down to smaller and clearer elements.
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Are you incapable of actually doing any research yourself?

I'm sick of this vagueness here. It's like Facebook vageuebooking.
 
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Eddy Edson said:
Any diet with a calorie deficit can result in clearing visceral fat & hopefully restoring glucose regulation. But subjecting yrself to very high BG levels along the way, before you get there, just seems unnecessarily risky to me.
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Yes, especially as glucotoxicity leads to beta cell dysfunction.
And not everyone can clear visceral fat and restore glucose regulation.
 
harbottle said:
Are you incapable of actually doing any research yourself?

I'm sick of this vagueness here. I'm through with this thread. Adios.
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I absolutely do my own research, but I've never come across solid evidence for the specific claims you're making. And I also don't like the vagueness, which is why I'm trying to make pin-pointed questions.
If, as you say, you have seen research, then please just present it.
 
beating_my_betes said:
Not being coy. It will all become clear soon enough. And it's nothing revolutionary - just trying to rule out as many variables as I can.
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When will be soon enough? You have started an experiment without declaring the means whereby you will monitor outcomes. By normal standards, it's too late already.
 
Docb said:
When will be soon enough? You have started an experiment without declaring the means whereby you will monitor outcomes. By normal standards, it's too late already.
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I don’t feel it’s ever too late. I read of a juice dieter/faster about 4 years back? (I believe they had similar goals to this thread.) In their own words didn’t have the discipline to keep it up. I admire @beating_my_betes ’s tenacity.
 
harbottle said:
Where is the research showing a diet high in refined carbs like fruit juice, white bread, white rice, and sugar has been a success in getting type 2 diabetes into remission?
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Diabetes UK suggests there’s no one-size fits all diet for people with diabetes, but it does offer these top 10 tips (which include reducing portions of carbohydrates, reducing fruit juices, steering clear of white rice / white bread, highly-processed cereals, and choosing more complex sources of carbs when you have them):

10 tips for healthy eating with diabetes

There are different types of diabetes, and no two people with diabetes are the same.
www.diabetes.org.uk www.diabetes.org.uk

1. Choose healthier carbohydrates​

All carbs affect blood glucose levels so it’s important to know which foods contain carbohydrates. Choose the healthier foods that contain carbs and be aware of your portion sizes.

Here are some healthy sources of carbohydrate:
  • whole grains like brown rice, buckwheat and whole oats
  • fruit
  • vegetables
  • pulses such as chickpeas, beans and lentils
  • dairy like unsweetened yoghurt and milk.
At the same time, it’s also important to cut down on foods low in fibre such as white bread, white rice and highly-processed cereals. You can check food labels when you’re looking for foods high in fibre if you’re unsure.

2. Eat less salt​

Eating lots of salt can increase your risk of high blood pressure, which in turn increases risk of heart diseases and stroke. And when you have diabetes, you’re already more at risk of all of these conditions.

Try to limit yourself to a maximum of 6g (one teaspoonful) of salt a day. Lots of pre-packaged foods already contain salt so remember to check food labels and choose those with less salt. Cooking from scratch will help you keep an eye on how much salt you’re eating. You can also get creative and swap out salt for different types of herbs and spices to add that extra flavour.

3. Eat less red and processed meat​

If you’re cutting down on carbs, you might start to have bigger portions of meat to fill you up. But it’s not a good idea to do this with red and processed meat, like ham, bacon, sausages, beef and lamb. These all have links with heart problems and cancers.

Try swapping red and processed meat for these:
  • pulses such as beans and lentils
  • eggs
  • fish
  • poultry like chicken and turkey
  • unsalted nuts
Beans, peas and lentils are also very high in fibre and don’t affect your blood glucose levels too much – making them a great swap for processed and red meat and keeping you feeling full. Most of us know that fish is good for us, but oily fish like salmon and mackerel are even better. These are rich in something called omega-3 oil, which helps protect your heart. Try and aim to eat two portions of oily fish a week.

4. Eat more fruit and veg​

We know eating fruit and veg is good for you. It’s always a good thing aim to eat more at meal times and have them as snacks if you’re hungry. This can help you get the vitamins, minerals and fibre your body needs every day to help keep you healthy.

You might be wondering about fruit and if you should avoid it because it’s sugary? The answer is no. Whole fruit is good for everyone and if you have diabetes, it’s no different. Fruits do contain sugar, but it’s natural sugar. This is different to the added sugar (also known as free sugars) that are in things like chocolate, biscuits and cakes.

The sugar in fruit juices counts as free sugars, so go for whole fruit instead. This can be fresh, frozen, dried or tinned (in juice, not in syrup). And it’s best to eat it throughout the day instead of one bigger portion in one go.

5. Choose healthier fats​

We all need fat in our diet because it gives us energy. But different types of fat affect our health in different ways.

Healthier fats are in foods like unsalted nuts, seeds, avocados, oily fish, olive oil, rapeseed oil and sunflower oil. Some saturated fats can increase the amount of cholesterol in your blood, increasing your risk of heart problems. These are mainly found in animal products and prepared food like:
  • red and processed meat
  • ghee
  • butter
  • lard
  • biscuits, cakes, pies and pastries.
It’s still a good idea to cut down on using oils in general, so try to grill, steam or bake foods instead.

6. Cut down on free sugar​

We know cutting out sugar can be really hard at the beginning, so small practical swaps are a good starting point when you’re trying to cut down on excess sugar. Swapping sugary drinks, energy drinks and fruit juices with water, plain milk, or tea and coffee without sugar can be a good start.

Cutting out free sugars can help you manage your blood glucose levels and help you manage your weight. You can always try low or zero-calorie sweeteners (also known as artificial or non-sugar sweeteners) to help you cut back. These can also be helpful for weight loss in the short term if you don’t swap for other foods and drinks containing lots of calories. But, in the long term, try and reduce the overall sweetness in your diet.

7. Be smart with snacks​

If you want a snack, choose yoghurts, unsalted nuts, seeds, fruits and vegetables instead of crisps, chips, biscuits and chocolates. But watch your portions still – it’ll help you keep an eye on your weight

8. Drink alcohol sensibly​

Alcohol is high in calories, so if you do drink and you’re trying to lose weight, think about cutting back. Try to keep to a maximum of 14 units a week. But spread it out to avoid binge drinking, and go several days a week without alcohol.

If you take insulin or other diabetes medications, it’s also not a good idea to drink on an empty stomach. This is because alcohol can make hypos more likely to happen.

9. Don’t bother with so-called diabetic food​

To say food is a "diabetic food" is now against the law. This is because there isn’t any evidence that these foods offer you a special benefit over eating healthily. They can also often contain just as much fat and calories as similar products, and can still affect your blood glucose level. These foods can also sometimes have a laxative effect.

10. Get your minerals and vitamins from foods​

There’s no evidence that mineral and vitamin supplements help you manage your diabetes. So, unless you’ve been told to take something by your healthcare team, like folic acid for pregnancy, you don’t need to take supplements.

It’s better to get your essential nutrients by eating a mixture of different foods. This is because some supplements can affect your medications or make some diabetes complications worse, like kidney disease.
 
This diet doesn't follow any of that advice, though.
It's full of stuff that we're recommended to avoid.
 
harbottle said:
This diet doesn't follow any of that advice, though.
It's full of stuff that we're recommended to avoid.
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Yes I thought it might be helpful for people browsing to have some basic general suggestions as a comparison.
 
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No food weighed on this day.


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Morning of day 4 = Slight movement in the right direction.

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Hadn't really planned to start this way. Normally i start with a larger deficit, and I get flung off of the wagon pretty hard. This time, I just ate to the quantity I wanted. Still managed to effect a deficit, but without any hunger at all. Tomorrow (Day 6)) I will try to increase that deficit. Wil also be removing, for a period of time, all overt sources of fat and protein. A 'Phase 2', of sorts.
 
You might as well do the 'rice diet' if you're removing protein and fat.
 
harbottle said:
You might as well do the 'rice diet' if you're removing protein and fat.
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Do you mean the diet in which patients lost a combined weight of many hundreds of pounds, essentially saving their lives, eating nothing but white rice, fruit, fruit-juice and ad-libitum white sugar?
 
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beating_my_betes said:
Do you mean the diet in which patients lost a combined weight of many hundreds of pounds, essentially saving their lives, eating nothing but white rice, fruit, fruit-juice and ad-libitum white sugar?
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That's not a great argument. I could go on a diet of Oreos and lose weight if I wanted to.
I don't because it's not a very good idea.

The 'rice diet' was developed in to 1940s to treat extreme hypertension, not weight loss, and has a poor nutritional content that led to muscle loss. Even at the time it only worked on less than half the people it was tried on and most of them had medical problems that were so dire that their life expectancy was short. As far as I'm aware no real studies have been done on its long term use for weight loss (Or any of the 'modern' versions, which are not the same as its original form) It's a fad/crash diet.

It's certainly not recommended for people with type 2 diabetes.
 
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