Surgeon who branded his initials on patients' livers told he can keep working

[Ditto]

He should be hung, drawn and quartered. I volunteer to do it! I might let him live after, coz apparently you're still a bit alive after all that. He should then be struck off and his address given to all his previous marked patients.

Narcissist sounds like. And a git. Oh hang on, maybe not quartered.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Man has did wrong & been punished for it, but seriously you'd compare him to those 3 monsters, you need to have reality check about their crimes.

Thought better of you fella tbh.

How about if he tattooed you on the outside? Still good with him then?
Just checking where your line is?

 

[Deleted member 21371]

He should be hung, drawn and quartered. I volunteer to do it! I might let him live after, coz apparently you're still a bit alive after all that. He should then be struck off and his address given to all his previous marked patients.

Narcissist sounds like. And a git. Oh hang on, maybe not quartered.

Well, the quartering bit was actually the end of a drawn out death,
So, no mercy?

 

[pm133]

Man has did wrong & been punished for it, but seriously you'd compare him to those 3 monsters, you need to have reality check about their crimes.

Thought better of you fella tbh.

I had a feeling my point would be missed.

Forget the crimes themselves.
The reason behind why all of those people were able to behave as they did is exactly the same.

 

[pm133]

He should be hung, drawn and quartered. I volunteer to do it! I might let him live after, coz apparently you're still a bit alive after all that. He should then be struck off and his address given to all his previous marked patients.

Narcissist sounds like. And a git. Oh hang on, maybe not quartered.

I might not be prepared to personally hang and draw him but to be honest, if he had done that to one of my kids or my wife I can tell you right now that losing his licence or going to jail would have been the least of his worries.

 

[mikeyB]

Good job none of you folk are in charge of sentencing guidelines in the courts.

And death threats are illegal. This forum is watched by more than just diabetic folk. All such forums are. GCHQ just trawls for key words.

 

[Robin]

A lot of this discussion is academic anyway, I think.
The incidents happened in 2013, he was dismissed from his job and voluntarily relinquished his licence to practise.
He currently is not on the GMC roll and hasn’t worked as a surgeon since. The criminal case took til 2017 to come to court, and all the wrangling since has been about whether the GMC could reopen and re-examine their case for disciplinary proceedings in the light of the criminal conviction.
OK, it is open to Mr. Bramhall to seek to renew his licence in the future, but I doubt he’d get a job in the U.K.

 

[BlueArmy]

This is the discussion that keeps on giving isn't it. Perhaps we should discuss something less divisive, like Brexit.

 

[Ditto]

Good job none of you folk are in charge of sentencing guidelines in the courts.

And death threats are illegal. This forum is watched by more than just diabetic folk. All such forums are. GCHQ just trawls for key words.

Good grief whatever happened to free speech. No such thing now of course. Now it seems to me all sympathy is with the do'ers, the victims don't matter. 😡

 

[BlueArmy]

whatever happened to free speech.

Snowflakes killed it and a media that wants to have it, but feels the need to oppress anyone else who uses it so they can push their own populist narrative and get miles of columns from that

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Good job none of you folk are in charge of sentencing guidelines in the courts.

And death threats are illegal. This forum is watched by more than just diabetic folk. All such forums are. GCHQ just trawls for key words.

Death threats?
Where is that?
I noticed someone offered to volunteer as an hangman, if that job ever came back, and obviously if he was legally tried and found guilty, and sentenced under any new law passed to cover it, the "should" makes that quite clear.
And death? If you're referring to the thread specifically stating he'd still be alive after, I'm starting to mistrust the profession myself now, as others have said.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

The surgeon who burned initials onto livers is struck off medical register

'The Tribunal has therefore directed that Mr Bramhall's name be erased from the Medical Register.'

Seems to have taken a while, but finally there.

 

[rebrascora]

The sad thing is that a highly skilled man is now no longer able to save lives! It is a lose, lose situation in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

The sad thing is that a highly skilled man is now no longer able to save lives! It is a lose, lose situation in my opinion.

No, he was a butcher, and treated people like animals.
He processed them, and branded them.
The world is a better place without people like that.

 

[BlueArmy]

No, he was a butcher, and treated people like animals.
He processed them, and branded them.
The world is a better place without people like that.

A bit harsh and inflammatory language - he saved the lives of many people including the person he branded through vanity.

Although I think its a positive outcome in the sense it demonstrates an effective due process from the medical profession resulting in a tough decision being made to maintain public confidence.

 

[Inka]

Thanks for the update @travellor He acted unprofessionally and with an arrogance that could, in other situations, be dangerous. However skilled someone is, if they can’t control their ego, then they’re a liability.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

A bit harsh and inflammatory language - he saved the lives of many people including the person he branded through vanity.

Although I think its a positive outcome in the sense it demonstrates an effective due process from the medical profession resulting in a tough decision being made to maintain public confidence.

He didn't save the lives of many people.
He was one small person in the system.
There are many skilled surgeons working in the NHS.
And the organ donor scheme was the one key item that saves lives.
Not a butcher that is replaceable.
How many times do people die because an organ is available, but a surgeon isn't?
I'd have waited for the next surgeon, who wasn't a butcher that liked to leave his brand on people, thanks.

 

[rebrascora]

It's really interesting how polarizing this is. I would happily allow this man to operate on me and sign his work if he wanted to. I might even joke about getting his autograph with him afterwards.
I appreciate that people are viewing this very differently and no doubt my view of it is as surprising/disturbing to some of you, as your visceral responses are to me. I am not saying that what he did is OK but just that it doesn't shock me or even upset me and I would be surprised if he is the first surgeon to have done it or something similar, not that that makes it right.

 

[BlueArmy]

I'd have waited for the next surgeon, who wasn't a butcher that liked to leave his brand on people, thanks.

Your choice - if I was in a life threatening position I’d want whatever licensed surgeon was available - most reasonable people wouldn’t ask to see a surgeons performance appraisal, CV or outcome metrics. I trust the medical profession to ensure safety in the same way I expect the rail, air or car manufacturing industries govern their safety records. This update proves the trust is well placed - although as discussed before - there was no medical risk in what he did so I think he is a egotistical and vain idiot but not unsafe although support the decision to strike him off for “bringing the profession into disrepute” effectively

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Your choice - if I was in a life threatening position I’d want whatever licensed surgeon was available - most reasonable people wouldn’t ask to see a surgeons performance appraisal, CV or outcome metrics. I trust the medical profession to ensure safety in the same way I expect the rail, air or car manufacturing industries govern their safety records. This update proves the trust is well placed - although as discussed before - there was no medical risk in what he did so I think he is a egotistical and vain idiot but not unsafe although support the decision to strike him off for “bringing the profession into disrepute” effectively

I don't disagree.

I think a lot of the problem is the way the public fed his ego.
He didn't save peoples lives.

He was simply a small cog in a very large team, using advanced facilities to ensure that after a few practices he could, with a very skilled team around him, cut people open, scoop bits out, and put bits back.

Could he do it by himself - no.
Could he do it without the equipment - no
Can liver transplants be done without him - they haven't even blinked.
They wouldn't even have mis-stepped if he phoned up sick on the way to the theatre, the transplant would still have gone ahead.
In the process he was insignificant, just his ego was over inflated as a "surgeon"