NHS Low Calorie Diet - Type 2 Remission Programme - Oviva (aka Newcastle)

[Kreator]

I'm glad you took the time to write about it, it definitely helps inspire me to stay at it.

Keep at it buddy, enjoy the ride!

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

High blood sugar over a period of time can lead to glaucoma,

Yes and cause bleeds on the back of the eye (retinopathy)

But there can be short-term / transient ‘focal length’ changes too.

I’ve had blurry vision as a symptom of short periods of high BG in the ‘bad old days’ which resolved when my levels came back into range. So some eye changes can be short term and temporary.

 

[harbottle]

Yes and cause bleeds on the back of the eye (retinopathy)

But there can be short-term / transient ‘focal length’ changes too.

I’ve had blurry vision as a symptom of short periods of high BG in the ‘bad old days’ which resolved when my levels came back into range. So some eye changes can be short term and temporary.

Yes, the swelling of the lens due to high blood sugar changes the focal length.
There’s also a high risk of cataracts as well.
My eye sight went blurry shortly before I was diagnosed. ITV returned back to normal after two weeks of low carb.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Just unlocking this thread in case any of the newcomers who have been referred to it want to ask questions 🙂

 

[Drummer]

Ah ok. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on which way you look at it, I am under no illusion that I am responsible for this. I guess that if this is the case then atleast I am in control and can do something about it.

I was asked what I 'blamed' for my having diabetes by one of the practice nurses, and I had to say that it was following the diet sheets given out by the surgery which were all high carb and low fat foods.
I did add that the way I was spoken to by HCPs when I told them how ill it made me feel was really unhelpful. I mentioned the way that the high glucose reading ten years before diagnosis was dealt with by stopping doing the test was not exactly helpful.
My way of dealing with type 2 is to do pretty much the opposite of all dietary advice I have ever had from the NHS and the authorities.

 

[Kreator]

Just unlocking this thread in case any of the newcomers who have been referred to it want to ask questions 🙂

Thanks @everydayupsanddowns, appreciate it!

Over 3 years on and still 'In Remission' ....must add that it's not easy at times, but i sure feel so much better!

 

[beating_my_betes]

And yet some people argue, the late Jenny Ruhl for example, that you don't get Type 2 because you got fat but rather that you got fat because you had Type 2 for 5 to 10 years before formal diagnosis or at least the genes for it, the Metabolic Syndrome and Insulin Resistance depositing unused glucose and insulin as fat.

This is not the case.

 

[beating_my_betes]

Ah ok. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on which way you look at it, I am under no illusion that I am responsible for this. I guess that if this is the case then atleast I am in control and can do something about it.

Unfortunately, many in the health, nutrition and wellness spaces seem to keep denying people such autonomy.

 

[Astroboy]

Hey Guys,

I trust you're all doing well and have had a good weekend. @Kreator Thanks for so much for all your posts, it's been a great read about your journey and help me prep for my upcoming 12 weeks of Soups and shakes.

I start on the 28th October.

I have a couple of questions:

1 - Loose skin.
We apparently loose a lot of weight in such a short period of time. Of those who have been on this diet and have lost a lot of weight quickly, how do you get around the loose skin situation?
Is there anything on the forums that talks about this?

2 – Exercising whilst on the diet.
I was training martial arts but stopped due to the pandemic and I idle hands had me having a full time membership with sugary items at the fridge. With that, I’ve gone back to martial arts and am burning up a lot of calories. The question is at 800 calories a day, who here has experience in some exercise through out the first 12 weeks of the diet. I’m trying to understand how to navigate through it.

Of course I can still train and sit down if I get fatigued but keen to hear other’s please…..

 

[Meglorien]

Hey Guys,

I trust you're all doing well and have had a good weekend. @Kreator Thanks for so much for all your posts, it's been a great read about your journey and help me prep for my upcoming 12 weeks of Soups and shakes.

I start on the 28th October.

I have a couple of questions:

1 - Loose skin.
We apparently loose a lot of weight in such a short period of time. Of those who have been on this diet and have lost a lot of weight quickly, how do you get around the loose skin situation?
Is there anything on the forums that talks about this?

2 – Exercising whilst on the diet.
I was training martial arts but stopped due to the pandemic and I idle hands had me having a full time membership with sugary items at the fridge. With that, I’ve gone back to martial arts and am burning up a lot of calories. The question is at 800 calories a day, who here has experience in some exercise through out the first 12 weeks of the diet. I’m trying to understand how to navigate through it.

Of course I can still train and sit down if I get fatigued but keen to hear other’s please…..

I don't know about loose skin. I haven't seen it discussed. I'm curious to see what answers you get to that one.
I've just started my 12 weeks (last Wednesday). I was told not to do strenuous exercise, but I'm doing walks every day, and that is ok to keep up. You will need to see how you feel.

And it's not 800 calories, it's between 800-900. On Habitual shakes (Oviva vegan), even if you have only the Spicy Carrot soup, you will be getting 4x209. The Green Vegetable soup is 214 - but has real food, like spinach and broccoli. The Vanilla shake is 229 and the Banana Porridge is 220. I'm saying this so you're not surprised.

I'd say, as with anything, it's about being sensible. Your coach will be able to advise you on the first day. If not exercising makes you want to eat, you're probably better off doing something.

Good luck!

 

[Hevski]

Can you get this diet in Scotland?

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Can you get this diet in Scotland?

The NHS Path to Remission programme seems to be NHS England

NHS England » NHS Type 2 Diabetes Path to Remission Programme

The NHS Type 2 Diabetes Path to Remission Programme is a joint initiative between NHS England and Diabetes UK available to eligible people in England. This programme provides a low calorie, total diet replacement treatment for people who are living with type 2 diabetes and obesity or overweight...

www.england.nhs.uk

But it looks like Scotland has a similar offering under Counterweight Plus?

Type 2 remission service in Scotland | Right Decisions

rightdecisions.scot.nhs.uk

 

[pjgtech]

@Kreator what a great thread, just started the programme myself, started the initial 12 week phase last Wednesday, so early days, but ok so far. Your thread was a great read and very inspirational. I'm determined to stick with it as long as possible.
Cheers