A broad church - low carb is not the only way

[Kaylz]

I think it might be fairer to say that reducing blood sugars too aggressively can bring about issues with the eyes - for some. It doesn't happen to everyone, and I doubt the lack of carbs are the culprits. In my view, it could easily happen with the ND, which we know is calorie based.

In a roundabout way that's exactly what I said, why did you just choose to pick on it now? But drastically reducing carbs is what makes BG reduce rapidly so would you take the risk? Yes it may not happen but going slowly to reduce the chances is a better option and that's talking from being through the eye problems associated with it, I'm pretty sure if people knew they could be facing eye injections if BG drops rapidly then they would want to take it slowly

 

[AndBreathe]

I don't think it's worth fighting over anyones view that eye damage may not occur, and if it does, it wasn't the carbs that did it.
Possibly we should just advise people that reducing BG rapidly isn't the best approach.
However they choose to reduce it?

As an aside, what information do you have that a reduced calorie carb based approach, like the mostly carb based shakes, makes eye damage easily happen, as opposed to a lack of carbs, which has always been promoted to reduce BG. Is there another biological route to cause damage that you have information about, as It's not a view I've seen anywhere before?

I think that is exactly my point. I believe it is the rapid reduction in A1c that's the issue, not the methodology, and picking out any single food group doesn't make sense.

In my view.

 

[AndBreathe]

In a roundabout way that's exactly what I said, why did you just choose to pick on it now? But drastically reducing carbs is what makes BG reduce rapidly so would you take the risk? Yes it may not happen but going slowly to reduce the chances is a better option and that's talking from being through the eye problems associated with it, I'm pretty sure if people knew they could be facing eye injections if BG drops rapidly then they would want to take it slowly

Reducing A1c rapidly could easily be due to taking insulin, in a very efficient manner, should the person be insulin dependent. It is likely other meds, like, say Gliclazide or others could also have that impact if the reductions are harsh

I don't believe the carb reduction is the issue. It's the blood glucose reduction that does it.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I think that is exactly my point. I believe it is the rapid reduction in A1c that's the issue, not the methodology, and picking out any single food group doesn't make sense.

In my view.

Well, a single persons "view" is just that. Just one opinion.
As you say, their view.

Without proof, and as some one said earlier in this post, maybe that's just the internet as a microcosm of the real world, listening to someone in the pub.


So always listen politely. But remember, there is no perfect approach. Anyone claiming perfection or the holy grail is usually just blowing their own trumpet for their own gain,... or ego.
Again, we agree

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