Zoe recommending libre for non diabetics

[Satan’s little helper]

I feel compelled to change my assessment of ZOE, viz:

At best useless, except you get muffins.

I don’t think there is anything in the kit that couldn’t get addressed from the user by either a GP or referral by one. If there were concerns?
It looks like some sort of fasting blood glucose tolerance test (using the muffins.) & a state of gut health kit? Then an app tailors a lifestyle/sets goals.

 

[AndBreathe]

I don’t think there is anything in the kit that couldn’t get addressed from the user by either a GP or referral by one. If there were concerns?
It looks like some sort of fasting blood glucose tolerance test (using the muffins.) & a state of gut health kit? Then an app tailors a lifestyle/sets goals.

My guess is it allows performance of their test scenario in a controlled manner. No need for the subject to try to work out x gr carbs or such like.

Expensive muffins.

 

[Satan’s little helper]

My guess is it allows performance of their test scenario in a controlled manner. No need for the subject to try to work out x gr carbs or such like.

Expensive muffins.

I agree. According to the YouTube vid, the subject fasts for 8hours prior to the first 3 muffins. (Breakfast.)
I’m also surmising they get “passed through” regarding the stool sampling.

Screen shot from the video I saw, cropped to conceal youtuber’s identity.

 

[Inka]

There’s a whole website, if people have money to spend and want information about it. The rather unappetising muffins are explained there.

 

[Satan’s little helper]

There’s a whole website, if people have money to spend and want information about it. The rather unappetising muffins are explained there.

I’m not understanding the point you make? The Zoe thing seem to suggest a 14 day only use of a sensor with the initial assessment of the “personalised” app goals. (With the intention of roping in the subscriber.) I do feel using a sensor for a fasting test after muffins is a little “OTT.”
It is a pretty anaemic muffin. 🙂

 

[Inka]

I was pointing anyone interested to the website itself, which explains all about the muffins - what they contain and why they’re included. I wouldn’t pay for it, but there’s a fair bit of information on the website for those who are interested.

The muffins aren’t to do with the stool sampling. That’s looking at your microbiome to see what mix of bacteria you have. How accurate that is, I’ve no idea.

 

[Robin]

There’s a whole article here, if people can be bothered to wade through it, on the 'Scientific muffins'

What can a muffin reveal about your metabolism?

Usually seen as a tasty snack, our special scientific muffins reveal important information about personal nutritional responses.

zoe.com

 

[Inka]

Yep, that’s the one @Robin I like to go to the original source. It’s easier and quicker to find the information and claims on their website, whether one subscribes to their ideas or not.

 

[Satan’s little helper]

I was pointing anyone interested to the website itself, which explains all about the muffins - what they contain and why they’re included. I wouldn’t pay for it, but there’s a fair bit of information on the website for those who are interested.

The muffins aren’t to do with the stool sampling. That’s looking at your microbiome to see what mix of bacteria you have. How accurate that is, I’ve no idea.

You are quite correct the muffins are not for stool sampling. I did mention upstream it looks like a,”sort of fasting blood glucose tolerance test.” In the use of the muffins. Here. https://forum.diabetes.org.uk/board...g-libre-for-non-diabetics.111270/post-1338552

Regarding the stool samplling? What goes in could also be what comes out. 😉

 

[Bloden]

It looks like some sort of fasting blood glucose tolerance test (using the muffins.) & a state of gut health kit? Then an app tailors a lifestyle/sets goals.

My bezzie did Zoe and found out that she got a slight glucose rise after eating bananas - this info cost her something like £300, I believe.

 

[Inka]

Well, yes, anything eaten will obviously come out, but they’re not concerned with the remnants of the muffin or last night’s baked potato, they’re extracting DNA from the sample in order to estimate the content of the microbiome.

 

[Satan’s little helper]

My bezzie did Zoe and found out that she got a slight glucose rise after eating bananas - this info cost her something like £300, I believe.

How high & for how long did your bezzie fly? (Is your bezzie a diabetic?) There are normal responses from non diabetics to a nana. A normal functioning pancreas without a metabolic disruption can do its “own individual thing.”
I’ve seen some interesting stuff from non - diabetics trying sensors. They just can’t make head nor tail of it. (On the results.) But BGs can shift. Providing they don’t stray out of “normal” range for prolonged periods.

 

[Bloden]

She’s not diabetic @Satan’s little helper. I feel she was ripped off.

 

[Satan’s little helper]

She’s not diabetic @Satan’s little helper. I feel she was ripped off.

For the record, Bloden. I feel this Zoe thing is a cynical venture. I’ve been T1 for a long time. Would rather take onboard all views on this over a kneejerk personal reaction. I don’t see this Zoe venture encroaching on T1 territory. No insult taken on this Zoe “TM” either.

 

[Bloden]

Yeah, understood @Satan’s little helper 🙂 - that’s not the point I was making (I’ve gone off-piste a bit from the original post!). Abbott can cope with T1 needs AND Zoe, etc. I bet they can’t believe their luck - wot, non-diabetics want to buy our kit too? Woohoo, we’re laughing all the way to the bank. 😎

 

[harbottle]

My brief summary: CGM's are at least very useful for most insulin-dependent diabetics & at best useless for most non-diabetics.

I'm not sure they were much use to me (T2, only on a low dose of Metformin). In fact, they may have been somewhat detrimental. After diagnosis I used to occasionally (Once a week) have a portion of overnight oats with berries for breakfast. Around the time of my second hba1c, I wore a sensor for a few weeks and saw the oats caused levels to rise to around 8 (And fall back down again.) So I stopped eating oats, but the hba1c came back as normal... so I am wondering if I was too hasty to act and cut oats out and got a bit too obsessed with keeping the line 'flat'. (The DN has mentioned eating more healthy grains.)

And I found that the same meal on different days didn't have the same effect.

 

[Eddy Edson]

I'm not sure they were much use to me (T2, only on a low dose of Metformin). In fact, they may have been somewhat detrimental. After diagnosis I used to occasionally (Once a week) have a portion of overnight oats with berries for breakfast. Around the time of my second hba1c, I wore a sensor for a few weeks and saw the oats caused levels to rise to around 8 (And fall back down again.) So I stopped eating oats, but the hba1c came back as normal... so I am wondering if I was too hasty to act and cut oats out and got a bit too obsessed with keeping the line 'flat'. (The DN has mentioned eating more healthy grains.)

And I found that the same meal on different days didn't have the same effect.

That was pretty much my experience also.