Why do diabetics not take things seriously?

[Amigo]

Ipsi has admitted his initial mistake so hopefully we can now go back to fighting the real enemy which is diabeties and not each other. Never judge a wo/man until you've battled with their BG's and life challenges for a week!

Hell I need a biscuit now!

Get yourself over to the Allygus thread Ipsi. You can eat anything on there carb and guilt free. The owner can be a bit grumpy but you'll get used to him! 🙂

 

[cherrypie]

Cherrypie: Don't make the same mistake I did: Read everything before you pass judgement.
We've, hopefully, moved on from Ipsi bashing now.

I read the thread but your first post seems to be the most judgmental on the entire thread.
We can agree to differ and perhaps you need to think before you post rather than upsetting members here.
I will say no more on the subject.

 

[james44]

i try moderation sometimes i'm weak sometimes i'm good at it , if i have one choc biccy i can't stop until i've had 10 . i don't punish myself because im new to this and learning as i go on , my exercise is getting better as i kept dropping to 3 , now i eat a banana before i work out and 3 or 4 glucose tabs . i couldn't be like some on here that are hardcore at dealing with their T2 thru diet , but i'm picking up bits and pieces from all of you and have found strength from all u good people

 

[Ipsi]

Dropping to 3 sounds horrible! I had a hypo at 4.2. Shaking, weird, disorientated. I took my BG to see if it was a hypo and I was shaking so hard I could barely do it. I thought it took me about ten minutes to get the reading but my wife said it was about 20 seconds. I had one bite of a banana and, within a few seconds, I had gone up enough for the hypo to stop. That's when I told my doc the gliclazide was too much, went down from 80mg twice a day to 40mg once a day, then none. Still on the metformin though.

 

[Bubbsie]

i try moderation sometimes i'm weak sometimes i'm good at it , if i have one choc biccy i can't stop until i've had 10 . i don't punish myself because im new to this and learning as i go on , my exercise is getting better as i kept dropping to 3 , now i eat a banana before i work out and 3 or 4 glucose tabs . i couldn't be like some on here that are hardcore at dealing with their T2 thru diet , but i'm picking up bits and pieces from all of you and have found strength from all u good people

James seems like it's early days for you (?)...I was very disciplined at diagnosis & just after...chasing the perfect number...then I slowed down...realised I didn't have to be so rigid with my control...I follow a low carb high fat diet...largely...however I do deviate occasionally...I have a snack before bed...usually a couple of KitKat mini bars...or some tuc crackers...if I am out with friends/family I eat what I want within reason...that works for me (but may not work for others)...I have an BG average of 5.8...which I am happy with...taken me a year to get there...but...feel reasonably happy with my control at the moment...I have reduced the Metformin from twice daily to one a day...fortunately never had take any hypo causing medication...at my next review I may consider stopping the Metformin...will discuss that with GP...diabetes is unpredictable...but...with time we usually learn what will work for us...get to the stage where how you control your BG will become like second nature...outright abstinence won't work for me...but...as others have said moderation is fine...finding what suits you as an individual is the best way forward.

 

[trophywench]

I have to differ on the choc ice front. Tesco's dark choc ones are about 12g carb and well worth the insulin and every lick, frankly. Could only be improved if they used coffee ice cream instead of vanilla !

 

[Pumper_Sue]

regular posters can't change thread titles, but moderators / admin can. However, a less provocative title would mean many posts wouldn't make sense, so I think it's better to leave it.

Yes they can if they click on thread tools on the right hand side of the screen above first post 🙂

 

[MikeTurin]

possibly because the level of support that diabetics receive (or rather the lack of it) particularly type 2's...my opinion only... is a sensitive issue for many of us here...

Exactly And remember that I'm in Italy and there's no luxury to have not one but two diabetes forum.
(Also I have to apologise for my English that sometime is plain wrong)
When one is diagnosed normally gets very low support and if doesn't have the instruments to make self study is left alone without informations.

I wouldn't apologise for your post...it's provoked a 'healthy' discussion...got our interest...looking forward to what else you may have to say...given your medical background...could be enlightening.

I suppose that is interesting to know what happens on the other side of the table.

 

[Amigo]

James seems like it's early days for you (?)...I was very disciplined at diagnosis & just after...chasing the perfect number...then I slowed down...realised I didn't have to be so rigid with my control...I follow a low carb high fat diet...largely...however I do deviate occasionally...I have a snack before bed...usually a couple of KitKat mini bars...or some tuc crackers...if I am out with friends/family I eat what I want within reason...that works for me (but may not work for others)...I have an BG average of 5.8...which I am happy with...taken me a year to get there...but...feel reasonably happy with my control at the moment...I have reduced the Metformin from twice daily to one a day...fortunately never had take any hypo causing medication...at my next review I may consider stopping the Metformin...will discuss that with GP...diabetes is unpredictable...but...with time we usually learn what will work for us...get to the stage where how you control your BG will become like second nature...outright abstinence won't work for me...but...as others have said moderation is fine...finding what suits you as an individual is the best way forward.

Hell with an average BG of 5.8 your Hba1c should be around the 33 mark Bubbsie. You'll be taken off the Diabetic Register if you maintain that level! 🙂

 

[Bubbsie]

Hell with an average BG of 5.8 your Hba1c should be around the 33 mark Bubbsie. You'll be taken off the Diabetic Register if you maintain that level! 🙂

Not so sure about maintaining that Amigo...just had a real hoo haa with British Gas...so infuriated...reached for the KitKat mins...no idea what happened...suddenly the packet was empty!...couldn't have been me could it😱😱😱.

 

[Bubbsie]

Hell with an average BG of 5.8 your Hba1c should be around the 33 mark Bubbsie. You'll be taken off the Diabetic Register if you maintain that level! 🙂

Not sure I'm ready for that yet...initially my first objective...now...worried old Dr Max Medication may stop all the checks...strips etc...I have discussed that with him...he says not...can still have them when I feel I need them...but...not sure I believe that.

 

[Bubbsie]

Exactly And remember that I'm in Italy and there's no luxury to have not one but two diabetes forum.
(Also I have to apologise for my English that sometime is plain wrong)
When one is diagnosed normally gets very low support and if doesn't have the instruments to make self study is left alone without informations.


I suppose that is interesting to know what happens on the other side of the table.

Mike...don't apologise...I understand exactly what you mean...agree with it...same condition...same difficulties...same problems...I really do feel type 2 diabetics are treated very shabbily...particularly those not dependant on hypo causing medication...here in the UK...no idea how it is in Italy...but...sounds like you may have the same issues.

 

[Martin Canty]

you don't see many thin fit people with diabetes.

TBH you don't "see" many people with D, you just need to be told. At DX I considered myself to be in good shape with some active pursuits, a little overweight perhaps. At DX I made a decision that I didn't want complications due to D & therefore I would need to change things immediately. Took almost a year to learn the basics, making some big mistakes along the way (Hypo related).

I think it's up to us, as D's who have/are made/making significant lifestyle changes to educate people in general about the disease and what can be achieved with good control. Reminds me of a conversation with my Yoga teacher, talking about her son who is T1, I mentioned that I was T2, to which she replied "I would never have thought, you are so slim!"

 

[Chris Hobson]

I don't know whether it was because I ended up in hospital at the time of my diagnosis but I found the service that I got from the health service to be very good. I was given a load of leaflets to read all about various different aspects of managing diabetes. While in hospital I had visits from various specialist nurses who gave advice and answered questions. After leaving hospital, as I was initially on insulin injections, I had a consultation with a nutritionalist who explained how to calculate carb content in meals and I was also offered a place on a week long course to learn about balancing insulin levels. As it turned out I didn't need any of that because I stopped using insulin after nine months.

Regarding the OP, I know of other diabetics who are less diligent about managing the condition than I am, or in one case not diligent in the slightest, but as far as I'm concerned that is entirely up to them. It is their business not mine. I cut all refined sugar from my diet initially but now have it in moderation. At present I don't feel that it is necessary to cut it out altogether but if I felt it was needed I would cut it out again. Those who know me from other parts of the forum will be aware that my preferred way of managing diabetes is to do insane amounts of exercise. This seems to work for me, at my last check up my HbA1c reading was 50 mmol/mol.

 

[Copepod]

Yes they can if they click on thread tools on the right hand side of the screen above first post 🙂

Thanks Sue for correction. I've changed a few thread titles at posters' requests, so assumed it wasn't possible for regular posters. Your information will save me occasional tasks.

 

[Pumper_Sue]

Thanks Sue for correction. I've changed a few thread titles at posters' requests, so assumed it wasn't possible for regular posters. Your information will save me occasional tasks.

You are more than welcome I only found out by accident the other day 🙂

 

[MikeTurin]

Mike...don't apologise...I understand exactly what you mean...agree with it...same condition...same difficulties...same problems...I really do feel type 2 diabetics are treated very shabbily...particularly those not dependant on hypo causing medication...here in the UK...no idea how it is in Italy...but...sounds like you may have the same issues.

The interesting thin is that, despite the differences between SSN and NHS, an the other big differences between Italy and UK here type 2 diabetics aren't treated very well and are almost forgotten if aren't using insulin: also people that are using statines to lower cholesterol have a maximum of one blood check for year if levels are ok, so if something goes bad one have a yer to wait to find it.

 

[james44]

i'm glad i came on here as i'd forgotten to take my metformin , decided after advice in the pharmacy to stop taking glic and my hypos have stopped , recently back form spain and a fella with the nickname ' wildman' came with us . he's type 2 and drinks double vodkas to he passes out , i get worried for him as he is such a nice bloke and is always smiling . i try to keep an eye on him but he sayes if he couldn't live like this he'd rather not live

 

[trophywench]

i'm glad i came on here as i'd forgotten to take my metformin , decided after advice in the pharmacy to stop taking glic and my hypos have stopped , recently back form spain and a fella with the nickname ' wildman' came with us . he's type 2 and drinks double vodkas to he passes out , i get worried for him as he is such a nice bloke and is always smiling . i try to keep an eye on him but he sayes if he couldn't live like this he'd rather not live

Recipe for a short life and the end of it not as happy as he thinks he is now.

Personally though - most of us here aim for both things - a LONG life - but still a happy one!!

 

[Browser]

Quality of Life vs Great BG Control............discuss....😉

Nail on head. This statement is central to this whole debate. Life at any cost with unquestioning dedication to keeping BG in check as far as this is mentally and physically possible v. Living with the condition, taking informed, calculated risks based on experience, knowledge, advice and human weakness. When the day of judgement comes, I don't think I'll regret the route I chose.