Whole food plant based diet

[Drummer]

Why on earth would anyone drop the biscuit in a bin?? @phil90 ’s situation is very different from yours, Drummer, as you’re Type 2 with insulin resistance. You’ve found a diet that works for you and your weight loss/insulin resistance, but Type 1 is a very different condition. Phil is trying to put on weight not lose it, doesn’t have insulin resistance, etc.

The diet recommended for Type 1s is the same healthy diet recommended for everyone - and that includes carbs.

Exactly - but phil90 was obviously having trouble deciding what to do - if you'd like to read what was posted you might see the problem.
I was not advising that was the thing to do, just that there were various options available - if you'd like to read what I wrote. I never suggested that my diet was in any way the way that phil90 ought to eat, just trying to suggest ways to deal with what is obviously a very troubling situation.
You might like to give some sort of help on the subject when it comes to being tempted to eat the biscuit but then uncertain about using insulin to correct levels should they rise to numbers phil90 might find concerning.

 

[Inka]

I’ve read all the posts, Drummer. Type 1s can eat biscuits. I referred to that above, both directly and indirectly. Nobody who has Type 1 needs to be “tempted” to eat a biscuit because they’re a perfectly normal food. An occasional biscuit is absolutely fine. Moreover, biscuits are often recommended as a longer-acting hypo treatment, snack or pre-exercise carbs. As I and others have already mentioned the insulin a number of times, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Biscuits can be bolused for or not at all, depending on the circumstances.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

@phil90 There are people with eating disorders in many of those groups. They’re best avoided. Some are also very obsessive, and a number have hypo unawareness, dangerously so.

Food can still be a pleasure - and it should be 🙂 You can still eat the things you like. Yes, you have to think more, but it does the soul good to have nice food🙂 You’ll also be pleasantly surprised by the reaction of your blood sugar to some treats. Take it slowly to start with and plan some special meals.

To be fair, there are some obsessive posters in this group.
Even from the title, you can normally predict how it'll go unfortunately.

 

[Bloden]

I understood that what @Drummer was saying in her last paragraph is "Type 1ers have a variety of options".

hopefully after counselling you will see that again.

Take one day at a time @phil90. Anxiety around food is something I struggled with as a twenty-something. It took time to deal with everything involved, but I got there. I was very lonely back then, I don't want you to feel alone. (((hugs)))

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I understood that what @Drummer was saying in her last paragraph is "Type 1ers have a variety of options".


Take one day at a time @phil90. Anxiety around food is something I struggled with as a twenty-something. It took time to deal with everything involved, but I got there. I was very lonely back then, I don't want you to feel alone. (((hugs)))

All diabetics have a variety of options.
Drummer has chosen very strict diet control, has a hba1c right on the borderline of prediabetic, and avoids any rise in BG from carbs.
That suits her.

But it doesn't suit everyone, we all, type 1's and type 2's choose a solution that suits us.
We manage it the best we can, I choose a completely different path, that suits my lifestyle.
I'm happy with a normal diet, because it suits my lifestyle.
To be honest, time in range was a term I hadn't heard before this site.
But it's a very good measurement.
Type 2 tends to be insane fears about BG, and rises, has to be under 5, rise less than 2, check every 15 minutes....
I realised there is a wealth of experience from type 1 posters that reads over to type 2.
Possibly not so much the other way, so I don't normally post on type 1 threads, I know what I don't know.
But, as you say, it's so about one day at a time, learning, accepting the only way to learn how you work is to try it.

So the only advice I could give to any diabetic, 1or 2, is to choose a lifestyle, and tune it until it works.
As @Inka said, "food feeds the soul".
To me, if diabetes takes that from me, it's won anyway.

 

[Deleted member 33898]

I've read all the posts. Thanks for the advice. Not much more to say

 

[Drummer]

I’ve read all the posts, Drummer. Type 1s can eat biscuits. I referred to that above, both directly and indirectly. Nobody who has Type 1 needs to be “tempted” to eat a biscuit because they’re a perfectly normal food. An occasional biscuit is absolutely fine. Moreover, biscuits are often recommended as a longer-acting hypo treatment, snack or pre-exercise carbs. As I and others have already mentioned the insulin a number of times, I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. Biscuits can be bolused for or not at all, depending on the circumstances.

Then please please encourage phol90 - I was not going to respond on this thread even though phil90 reported such problems as not wanting to eat or take insulin any more. Surely you read that as I did?
Please do not confuse what I write to someone in obvious distress with what I do myself - I am not a simple soul obsessed with putting the whole world on a low carb diet for their own good - and I know perfectly well that a less stressed type one can eat a biscuit and either compensate for it in their carb intake or find they have corrected a low or just do a correction, but is seems that some cannot, and so require encouragement - and in those situations I wait to see if there is encouragement, and if not I might try to help, after some thought.
Are you really just blithely assuming that someone with access to insulin would eat the biscuit?

 

[Inka]

As I’ve responded numerous times on this thread with encouragement and understanding to Phil, I find your comment offensive, Drummer. You are transparent.

 

[helli]

@Drummer whilst I appreciate you are trying to help, without experiencing the tribulations of managing Type 1, your low carb approach can lead to more problems.
There are some people with Type 1 who do take the low carb approach but this is not by withholding/avoiding insulin. It is by learning how to dose the correct insulin. This is a very non trivial task.

The posts from @Inka are very supportive and encouraging and from a position of understanding through personal experience of managing Tups 1 with the mental challenges that it brings.

 

[Drummer]

@Drummer whilst I appreciate you are trying to help, without experiencing the tribulations of managing Type 1, your low carb approach can lead to more problems.
There are some people with Type 1 who do take the low carb approach but this is not by withholding/avoiding insulin. It is by learning how to dose the correct insulin. This is a very non trivial task.

The posts from @Inka are very supportive and encouraging and from a position of understanding through personal experience of managing Tups 1 with the mental challenges that it brings.

I am not in any way encouraging low carb in this instance.
Please read the post reporting not eating or using insulin for several days - that really concerned me. Please read the post about not wanting to inject a correction - if you think you can encourage the use of insulin please do so - I was trying to put forward the idea of there being options available, trying to help with the situation phil90 was in.