Whole food plant based diet

[42istheanswer]

I gave wholemeal sourdough and rye bread a go for a while and seemed to spike higher with these then wholemeal granary. Might be bread is out for me completely. Ive been going between granary and wholemeal seeded lately. Have some sort of meat with it , fruit , nuts and a protein bar depending on how much is in the meat. Though I really need to cut protein bars out of my diet.

I'm using flahavans rolled oats at the moment. Generally for making overnight oats ( chia seeds, peanut butter and raspberries) have to say I don't like it and was only used as a way of having something to bring with me to work when I start extra early. Would be great to find an on the go blood friendly breakfast.

All bran is quite nice. Haven't had that for a while. I have tried granola with soya yogurt a few times which isn't too bad. Do you use cow's milk with breakfast? Im not sure how much difference there is except the carbs, from what I've read it's quite slow digesting.

Not quite plant based but I've had mini frittatas this morning at work (photo in the photos of food thread), basically vegetables in beaten egg - easy to pop in a tub and bring in. They did stick a bit to the muffin tin despite using oil, going to try using foil lined cupcake cases to make them next time not put the mix straight in the tin

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@Leadinglights yeah those nature valley ones are tasty. I was mostly having misfits and fulfill bars but only if they were on offer. Usually expensive.

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@42istheanswer they look quite nice thanks

 

[Nige13]

I gave wholemeal sourdough and rye bread a go for a while and seemed to spike higher with these then wholemeal granary. Might be bread is out for me completely. Ive been going between granary and wholemeal seeded lately. Have some sort of meat with it , fruit , nuts and a protein bar depending on how much is in the meat. Though I really need to cut protein bars out of my diet.

I'm using flahavans rolled oats at the moment. Generally for making overnight oats ( chia seeds, peanut butter and raspberries) have to say I don't like it and was only used as a way of having something to bring with me to work when I start extra early. Would be great to find an on the go blood friendly breakfast.

All bran is quite nice. Haven't had that for a while. I have tried granola with soya yogurt a few times which isn't too bad. Do you use cow's milk with breakfast? Im not sure how much difference there is except the carbs, from what I've read it's quite slow digesting.

Have you not tried yoghurt and berries for brekky then may be some nuts to follow for snacking? 🙂

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@Nige13 I have tried no sugar soya yogurt with berries and flaked almonds. It is nice but problem is it's very low calories even with the almonds so doesn't provide me much towards my daily target. Without extra fruit it's under 300 cal which isn't alot at all.

 

[Nige13]

@Nige13 I have tried no sugar soya yogurt with berries and flaked almonds. It is nice but problem is it's very low calories even with the almonds so doesn't provide me much towards my daily target. Without extra fruit it's under 300 cal which isn't alot at all.

Why not use full fat yoghurt?

 

[Bloden]

I gave wholemeal sourdough a go for a while and seemed to spike higher with these then wholemeal granary.

Same here @phil90 so I don't eat it.

Packaged bread is a minefield! At the moment, I'm eating a processed bread - rye and sunflower seed - which is usually okay, but sometimes spikes my BG. As for oats, sometimes they spike me, mostly they don't - so I still eat them, usually at lunchtime, with yogurt, berries, nuts n seeds. Breakfast for lunch, but that's what I fancy sometimes.

The random post-meal spikes are a pain, but I try to ignore them because there are so many invisible processes going on in the body, how can I account for all of them? 🙂

 

[trophywench]

My old mate Jen's husband frequently eats left over dinner for breakfast so say they had spag bol last evening, and there's bol left in the saucepan (or beef bourgignon etc) which she's intending to lob in the freezer when she gets up today - there won't be as much if any since Geoff will have had it for his brekkie.

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@Nige13 I think the saturated fat puts me off in full fat yogurts. Maybe just haven't looked hard enough for one.

@Bloden yeah I think I just get concerned if it's consistent spikes. Which it has been going on a month plus now. Always liked oats or bran flakes in the morning, even before diabetes. I think I tried a rye bread but similarly it spikes me high. Frustrating when trying alternatives that are supposed to be gentler on levels. I actually tried breakfast at lunch once but it didn't work out very well.

 

[nonethewiser]

Just googled, they look good. Do you have them with anything else ?

Do indeed, make porridge with blue top milk then add full fat greek yogurt. Also add berries, Sainsburrys this summer have had big juicy blueberries in stock, so been putting handful of them in to.

So good nutritious & hearty breakfast, it's not just about type of oats used but bolus timing also, get both right your on to winner.

 

[Nige13]

@Nige13 I think the saturated fat puts me off in full fat yogurts. Maybe just haven't looked hard enough for one.

@Bloden yeah I think I just get concerned if it's consistent spikes. Which it has been going on a month plus now. Always liked oats or bran flakes in the morning, even before diabetes. I think I tried a rye bread but similarly it spikes me high. Frustrating when trying alternatives that are supposed to be gentler on levels. I actually tried breakfast at lunch once but it didn't work out very well.

Its not that much in fats if you're only having like 20-30grms with your fruits.

 

[Inka]

I gave wholemeal sourdough and rye bread a go for a while and seemed to spike higher with these then wholemeal granary. Might be bread is out for me completely. Ive been going between granary and wholemeal seeded lately. Have some sort of meat with it , fruit , nuts and a protein bar depending on how much is in the meat. Though I really need to cut protein bars out of my diet.

I'm using flahavans rolled oats at the moment. Generally for making overnight oats ( chia seeds, peanut butter and raspberries) have to say I don't like it and was only used as a way of having something to bring with me to work when I start extra early. Would be great to find an on the go blood friendly breakfast.

All bran is quite nice. Haven't had that for a while. I have tried granola with soya yogurt a few times which isn't too bad. Do you use cow's milk with breakfast? Im not sure how much difference there is except the carbs, from what I've read it's quite slow digesting.

I generally have Koko coconut milk with my cereal, but sometimes I have cow’s milk @phil90 I haven’t noticed a massive difference with the speed of rise. The Koko has less carbs so I adjust for that in my count.

If you’ve found a bread that works best for you, that’s good. We’re all individuals and have slightly different digestion. Once you’ve found a good bread, stick with it. Again, it just removes some brain-work.

Type 1 is a very different condition from Type 2. We need to ‘be our own pancreas’, while accepting we’re never going to perfectly replicate the insulin-producing function of it. We also need to eat enough to live and thrive. Sometimes it’s hard to balance those two things but I urge you to avoid restrictive diets and, most importantly, a mindset where food is the enemy. It’s not 🙂

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@Inka I do have non diary milk like almond and soya but just use them for protein shakes before a workout. Not heard of that Koko one.

I may ditch bread soon. Just looking for other carbs to make some lunch with.

After talking to mental health team they think once my counselling starts it should help. I just can't get out of this way of thinking with food. 2 nights ago I woke up at 4am and couldn't get back to sleep thinking about my breakfast at 7am. I have settled on two meals but I'm already questioning them. I'm still afraid to take certain add ons out like peanut butter and flaked almonds. I have to to eat the an egg between the fruit and cereal / oats because I think any other order and I'll sky rocket. A colleague was talking about old jobs a few days ago. We both used to work in a bakery. They said a place near our current work does great empire biscuits or whatever they are called now. She bought some and brought them in yesterday. I couldn't say no. Went home with it. I thought all day about eating it and having to dose for it, what is going to happen. I don't actually think I can explain in a way for someone to take me seriously. The doctor didn't see it as an issue.im just going mad

 

[Inka]

You’re not going mad @phil90 People don’t get how stressful the whole food/insulin thing can be unless they’ve experienced it. If keeping the add-ins like the peanut butter helps you, then just carry on. Same with the egg. You can always adjust or reduce those if you choose to at a later date.

I think Type 1 is mentally wearing for many reasons. One is that you can’t control it 100% perfectly 100% of the time - but no-one is expecting you to. You have to keep reminding yourself of that. Think about your whole life not just the diabetes. You can’t give it this much power over you. It feeds on power and needs to be kept in its place. Don’t indulge it. Don’t let it ruin your pleasure in life any more than necessary. Eat that biscuit. Good results? Bad? It doesn’t matter that much because you can always amend things next time. It’s a learning experience. If you let fear take over, you’d never step outside your front door. I know it’s a lot easier said than done, but try to ‘talk yourself down’ from the panic/worry. Literally talk to yourself in your head. You hold the key.

You could spend your life in a private hospital on an insulin/glucose drip and get great sugars maybe, or you could completely forget about the diabetes and eat what you like and hardly test, right? Neither of those are good. The best way is the middle way. Best for health and best for emotional well-being too.

 

[Drummer]

@Inka I do have non diary milk like almond and soya but just use them for protein shakes before a workout. Not heard of that Koko one.

I may ditch bread soon. Just looking for other carbs to make some lunch with.

After talking to mental health team they think once my counselling starts it should help. I just can't get out of this way of thinking with food. 2 nights ago I woke up at 4am and couldn't get back to sleep thinking about my breakfast at 7am. I have settled on two meals but I'm already questioning them. I'm still afraid to take certain add ons out like peanut butter and flaked almonds. I have to to eat the an egg between the fruit and cereal / oats because I think any other order and I'll sky rocket. A colleague was talking about old jobs a few days ago. We both used to work in a bakery. They said a place near our current work does great empire biscuits or whatever they are called now. She bought some and brought them in yesterday. I couldn't say no. Went home with it. I thought all day about eating it and having to dose for it, what is going to happen. I don't actually think I can explain in a way for someone to take me seriously. The doctor didn't see it as an issue.im just going mad

I understand why peanuts and almonds are not something to include in your diet - I have never liked the smell of peanut butter and almonds are bad news for the environment when grown where there is not enough water available without irrigation.
Do take care to include enough fat in your diet - although we are told not to eat them, fats are essential foods and the natural fats are the source of many essential substances, particularly hormones and the building blocks for our nervous system. I always felt dire on a high carb low fat diet, and so I have not posted here before, but you do seem to be getting into a flap about what to eat, and I must say that your colleague isn't really helping even though - as you are type 1 I'd encourage you to make insulin your tool, to cope with such incidents. Neither foods nor insulin are magic requiring rituals and rules to work, but only as long as you use your meals and medication to be in control.
My present diet makes me feel so much better than I did when eating high carb low fat, which made me so dispirited and lacklustre. I'd really not be coping if still eating like that. Hopefully the counselling will help you, but I'm concerned that the way you are eating is contributing to the problems.

 

[Deleted member 33898]

@Inka thank you. I am trying to convince myself to wise up as much as possible. Interesting the last point you made. I actually said the doctor jokingly once about some similar set up but then I'd never be able to eat food. I've always thought food was one of best things in life, I don't know if its weird to think that but its probably part of the reason I've struggled soo much because food now makes me sad. Just want to get back to enjoying it again.

@Drummer if anything I probably eat too much fat. I have 90g on average everyday. and with only about 2000 calories on average day overall I'm probably having too much. But I had to make up the lack of carbs elsewhere. Of course the way I am eating is contributing to my problems. I just can't seem to break out of this cycle. I think reading too much and seeing what other people have achieved has really messed with me. I joined some low carb group just out of curiosity and all these people said levels have to be 4.9% like all the time or I can expect complications. Showing their perfect levels all day everyday. Yet I don't think I could ever go on such a diet ( for various reasons)

 

[Inka]

@phil90 There are people with eating disorders in many of those groups. They’re best avoided. Some are also very obsessive, and a number have hypo unawareness, dangerously so.

Food can still be a pleasure - and it should be 🙂 You can still eat the things you like. Yes, you have to think more, but it does the soul good to have nice food🙂 You’ll also be pleasantly surprised by the reaction of your blood sugar to some treats. Take it slowly to start with and plan some special meals.

 

[Drummer]

I have to rein in my natural enthusiasm on this thread @phil90 as it is so different in every possible way from my own way of eating.
I do not count anything but the grams of carb as I can and do trust my body to sort itself out as best for me. You of course have a whole other level of management to contend with.
I eat fats from natural sources, what comes along with the meat, fish etc after it is cooked - sometimes a food will lose fat, and sometimes gain a little. I use very small amounts of butter and olive oil and so need to put butter in the freezer to keep it fresh.
I am not sure what you mean by people on low carb groups telling you that you need to keep your levels at 4.9% - levels of what?
I found that by eating low carb I did not need to be concerned about anything - I eat meals which have a similar impact on my blood glucose every day, and if I decided to have an ice cream, which I did during the heatwave, then I simply did not have carbs with my meal later that day. I know that you can't be so free with the timings when you eat, but if you are concerned about such things as the biscuit you took home, could you not simply substitute for carbs in your evening meal and so keep you need for insulin about the same?
I do see from how you write that you do not feel you can be in control of your diabetes and how others react to you, even if they know your situation, yet if we'd been discussing the situation I'd have suggested either dropping the biscuit in a bin on the way home, eating it and compensating with more insulin, eating it and compensating with fewer carbs in the meal or some other ploy, because you really do have options which you can choose for yourself from your own knowledge, but your beliefs seem to be restricting you. I hope I am not too frank for your comfort. I only want to encourage you to find out that you can look after yourself better than any other person if you apply the knowledge you have gained for yourself.

 

[Inka]

Why on earth would anyone drop the biscuit in a bin?? @phil90 ’s situation is very different from yours, Drummer, as you’re Type 2 with insulin resistance. You’ve found a diet that works for you and your weight loss/insulin resistance, but Type 1 is a very different condition. Phil is trying to put on weight not lose it, doesn’t have insulin resistance, etc.

The diet recommended for Type 1s is the same healthy diet recommended for everyone - and that includes carbs.

 

[nonethewiser]

@Inka thank you. I am trying to convince myself to wise up as much as possible. Interesting the last point you made. I actually said the doctor jokingly once about some similar set up but then I'd never be able to eat food. I've always thought food was one of best things in life, I don't know if its weird to think that but its probably part of the reason I've struggled soo much because food now makes me sad. Just want to get back to enjoying it again.

@Drummer if anything I probably eat too much fat. I have 90g on average everyday. and with only about 2000 calories on average day overall I'm probably having too much. But I had to make up the lack of carbs elsewhere. Of course the way I am eating is contributing to my problems. I just can't seem to break out of this cycle. I think reading too much and seeing what other people have achieved has really messed with me. I joined some low carb group just out of curiosity and all these people said levels have to be 4.9% like all the time or I can expect complications. Showing their perfect levels all day everyday. Yet I don't think I could ever go on such a diet ( for various reasons)

Food is undoubtedly one of the best things in life, diagnosis of Type 1 doesn't change that believe me, hopefully after counselling you will see that again.

One other thing, stay away from these groups that say levels need to be no more than 4.9, they are barking mad as non diabetics go much higher than that, its just scaremongering tactics to encourage you to join group, ask any diabetes specialist & they will tell you same my friend.