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Time to dump outdated NHS misinformation

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Follow the cash and it will give you your answers. All the big food manufacturers are geared for low fat. It is much cheaper to manufacture low fat products than low carb as the higher fat will have to be accompanied by more and better proteins. As they cannot use chemical preservatives the shelf life of products without so much sugar will be shorter too. The food chains and pub chains also produce high carb foods because it is cheaper. Plus most people out there have still got the low fat mind set so it will mean more advertising. It is only the likes of us who have a problem that have been forced to think about nutrition. I have a friend who has no health problems and thinks nothing of having a plate of chips for lunch. I heard two women talking and even now one was warning the other about eating too many eggs (too many being more than 4 a week). So even the mind set of politicians and even doctors are still set on low fat (based on Ansel Keys flawed science). The more people becoming diabetic the more people will start to be aware that type 2 diabetes is helped by a lower carb diet. That is if they are allowed to have testing equipment of course. I would have thought it was plain common sense. You do not need insulin for fat, you do not need insulin for a reasonable portion of protein, but you do need insulin for carbs. I daresay the pharmaceutical companies have a rather large sway too. What would doctors advise type two's to do if the NHS stopped all medication for them. Would they still advocate basing meals on carbohydrates? And if not then, why now?
 
Ralph-YK said:
They said a government conspiracy isn't needed in a lot of the examples. Officals and politicians are not perfect. All it requires is incompetence.
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That's very true. I see it as incompetence that, when my 78 year old Aunt was diagnosed Type 2 all she received was a surgery 'compliments' (!!!) slip and a diet sheet that was so old it might well have been written on vellum or papyrus :(
 
Lilian said:
The more people becoming diabetic the more people will start to be aware that type 2 diabetes is helped by a lower carb diet
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I would like that but unfortunately I think that we are in a vast minority in the aggressive way that we try to control D, most people would follow the standard advice without thinking further....
 
I once read that it is generally considered in the medical profession (or it was then) that there was no point in trying to change the eating habits or lifestyle of newly diagnosed diabetics who are of a certain age. First they do not want to cause more stress or frighten the patient. Secondly they do not think the patient would be able to change their eating habits or lifestyle after all those years and Thirdly as complications take several years to manifest by the time the elderly patient gets complications they would be getting age related health problems anyway.
 
Do you remember when the WHO (world health organisation) were going to put out a statement (round the world) saying sugar was very bad for you, the sugar producers and manufacturers threatened them that if they did that, they would withdraw their donations. As the WHO received massive donations from these people they were put in a very difficult position. They ended up withdrawing their statement. There was a lot of publicity about this at the time so the message did get out there in a roundabout way.
 
Oh, there is the general medical thing of no patient involvement. That's why they don't tell us things.
 
Ralph-YK said:
Oh, there is the general medical thing of no patient involvement. That's why they don't tell us things.
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They have now got to get used to being more open with patients - by law (Data Protection Act 1998 - Not Freedom of Information Act as one would have thought). We should now all be able to see our test results, and other information on line as well as be able to make appointments etc. There was a deadline to make this available to patients by last April. They do not like patientsseeing their own test results in case they ask questions about why the GP said they were fine when various results are out of range. The GMC have said that doctors are supposed to work with the patients and therefore they cannot any longer not involve the patient. Mind you there are a lot of people who would pefer not be involved or know.
 
Lilian said:
They have now got to get used to being more open with patients - by law (Data Protection Act 1998 - Not Freedom of Information Act as one would have thought). We should now all be able to see our test results, and other information on line as well as be able to make appointments etc. There was a deadline to make this available to patients by last April. They do not like patientsseeing their own test results in case they ask questions about why the GP said they were fine when various results are out of range. The GMC have said that doctors are supposed to work with the patients and therefore they cannot any longer not involve the patient. Mind you there are a lot of people who would pefer not be involved or know.
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Ah, I thought there was a deadline that had passed. I asked about online test results etc when I went into our surgery yesterday, and was met with blank looks. One of the receptionists eventually volunteered the info that she'd heard of it, but the practice manager hadn't got round to doing anything about it! At the moment, the only thing we can do is order repeats on line.
 
Robin said:
Ah, I thought there was a deadline that had passed. I asked about online test results etc when I went into our surgery yesterday, and was met with blank looks. One of the receptionists eventually volunteered the info that she'd heard of it, but the practice manager hadn't got round to doing anything about it! At the moment, the only thing we can do is order repeats on line.
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Sounds familiar, they're dragging their feet at my surgery too :(
 
Lilian said:
They have now got to get used to being more open with patients - by law (Data Protection Act 1998 - Not Freedom of Information Act as one would have thought). We should now all be able to see our test results, and other information on line as well as be able to make appointments etc. There was a deadline to make this available to patients by last April. They do not like patientsseeing their own test results in case they ask questions about why the GP said they were fine when various results are out of range. The GMC have said that doctors are supposed to work with the patients and therefore they cannot any longer not involve the patient. Mind you there are a lot of people who would pefer not be involved or know.
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Where did you get that from? - the data protection act does not tell anyone to provide data on-line and is not specific to any organization processing personal data.
Who is the 'they' you refer to? if you ask your surgery you should be given your test results, by law.
 
So, if I phone my surgery, can the receptionist give me my cholesterol breakdown? Don't want to talk to the poison dwarf again.😱
 
Vicsetter said:
Where did you get that from? - the data protection act does not tell anyone to provide data on-line and is not specific to any organization processing personal data.
Who is the 'they' you refer to? if you ask your surgery you should be given your test results, by law.
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I can ask my surgery for the results, i.e, face to face, and they'll give them to me, this would be so I can look them up on line, without having to trek into the surgery ( OK, it's only 100yds down the road for me, but getting the receptionist's attention, and then to understand what you want takes a lot of time and energy). Plus, my GP has been known to forget to change the date after my annual medication review, so even though I've just seen her, I've had problems getting my repeats. It would be nice to be able to check on line if she's actually done that before I submit my next prescription.
 
Mark Parrott said:
So, if I phone my surgery, can the receptionist give me my cholesterol breakdown? Don't want to talk to the poison dwarf again.😱
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We can get our results by phone, once the doctor has checked them and marked them Ok, so I don't see why not.
 
Robin said:
We can get our results by phone, once the doctor has checked them and marked them Ok, so I don't see why not.
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Only if the full cholesterol test has been performed, my GP only does total and trig as the hdl/ldl split costs more money.
 
Vicsetter said:
Where did you get that from? - the data protection act does not tell anyone to provide data on-line and is not specific to any organization processing personal data.
Who is the 'they' you refer to? if you ask your surgery you should be given your test results, by law.
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No it is not the online thing. It is about the patient being allowed to see and have copies of their test results and copies of letters between consultant and doctor.
 
QUOTE: As of 31 March 2015, practices are required to offer registered patients in England online access to summary information from their medical records (provided the practice has the necessary computer systems in place).

The key words here are in brackets, you can read the full article here: https://www.themdu.com/guidance-and...ce/online-access-to-patient-records-your-faqs
You may note that it is up to the surgery to determine what are summary data.

I would also like to point out that some people in England assume that NHS England rules apply to the whole of the UK.. This is definitely not the case (which is why we in Scotland key free prescriptions and free eye sight tests).
 
Some surgeries there is no problem with giving copies of test results, but others are very reluctant to, and even charged patients for this whatever they felt like charging, even though they were not supposed to make a profit out of it. It is always good to have a copy of your test results because many a patient has been informed that they are OK when in fact they are not. I have had to challenge the doctor more than once.
 
Lilian said:
No it is not the online thing. It is about the patient being allowed to see and have copies of their test results and copies of letters between consultant and doctor.
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Thats not what you wrote.
I am not at all sure that you have the right to see letters between consultant and GP, that will be at the GPs discretion.
 
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