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"The Hospital" CH4 Prog on Diabetes Mon 16th August 9pm

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Hoping to watch this tonight, but everyone seems to be talking about it.

I can't comment on the programme itself yet, but from the comments I've seen it seems we still aren't getting the fundamental point across about the different types of diabetes, and also that everyone focuses on the negatives instead of the successes.

Diabetes is not a straight forward condition that can be pigeon holed. Just looking at the many different types of diabetes shows that but all too often sweeping generalisations are made especially on TV and in the press.

I also disagree with the argument that all diabetes comes under one umbrella because the symptoms are the same, that being our bodies cannot convert food to energy.

Yes on a very general level that statement is true, but often it's for very different reasons.

I'd prefer to see some distinction along the lines of:

Type 1's generally produce little or no insulin whereas
Type 1's must take regular injections of insulin (or use a pump) to replace the insulin their bodies no longer produce.

Type 2's are unable to use the insulin they are producing.
Type 2 can be controlled by diet and exercise but often need tablets to encourage their bodies to produce more insulin (or help use the insulin more efficiently) or may also need injections to provide more insulin if they have become insulin resistant.

I accept that the diabetes charities endeavor to help all types of diabetics, but i feel they could do more.

It's about time they tried to educate about the different types and treatments by challenging the often frightening generalided statements that are made instead of sitting back and letting the confusion continue! Maybe then we'd start to see a change in attitudes towards our testing and injecting in public and people would actually know what to do if they come across an unconcious diabetic in the future.

With the prevelance of diabetes continuing to rise, it won't be long before non-diabetics are in the minority anyway!

NiVZ

P.S @stangi - Great letter to Channel 4 😉
 
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Stangi,

I am so sorry to hear how your grandson has been feeling, and can appreciate how last night's programme probably won't have helped. Not sure if he lives locally to you, but I'm just down the road from Derby - I'd be more than happy to meet up with you & him, & have a chat about diabetes & the things I've still been able to do (D of E, Cadets, flying, etc!) if you'd like - just pm me if you're interested. 🙂

Great letter by the way - think I might have to follow your example! 🙂

Re the pregnant lady - I can sympathise with her having trouble with her diabetes control, although find it more difficult to reconcile her 'relaxed' attitude in the early days - personally I did my utmost to get good control before both babies, but on falling pregnant found changing hormone levels could play havoc with control despite testing & applying DAFNE like a fanatic! (even got told off for testing too much lol!)! I couldn't help wondering what part lack of education played in her situation - ie had she ever done something like DAFNE? The aspect of how much / little patients knew about how to control their condition just seemed totally absent in the whole programme as far as I could see... :(
 
Quite agree about your comment on lack of positive role models.
I'm feeling very guilty now, after recommending my daughter and grandson (12) watch it, and hoping my grandson does not do anything stupid (such as overdosing on insulin which he has done three times in last 6 months when despairing about his diagnosis a year ago) after seeing such a depressing and alarming programme. I was furious when the programme mentioned 'these' patients being likely to die before their parents, which sounded like he meant diabetic patients in general, not just the ones who do not comply with their recommended regime. Anyway I was so incensed I emailed channel 4 - a transcript of which follows: - ...

An excellent assessment Stangi - hit the nail on the head in so many ways. It will be interesting to see if the response you receive is some standardised nonsense, or if they consider your points and address them properly. I won't hold my breath. I do hope that your grandson isn't negatively affected by the programme, and that his motivation to care for his diabetes improves and is sustained throughout his teenage years. There are many outstanding examples of what people can achieve, despite their diabetes - many of them posting on this forum. It might be a good idea to take this opportunity to gather together the stories of such people so that he can be shown the other side of the coin. I'm thinking of people like Team Type 1, who cycle in the race across America (and win!), Sir Steve Redgrave, and many less famous, but equally dynamic and successful people. Take an afternoon to peruse the web and see what you can find. 🙂

Don't let this shoddy programme undermine his attitude and commitment to good control!
 
well i havn't watched it or intend to watch it for that matter! 😛 , i have found after watching all the tripe on t.v about diabeties over the last 20 yrs i have been type 1 they still come out with the same old cobblers !

I see no point in stressing myself out over a t.v program which will enevitably lead to a high b.s and a bad mood because of an ignorant program producer .

really not worth the stress and would rather watch paint dry lol

also , remember the advice/opinions given im any t.v program may not be eddited into the progrem the way either the hospital / consultant / patient wanted themselves or thier advice to be portrayed

it all comes down to the producer and the edit team that turn what could have been very factual information into a load of tripe , bad producers , bad programs and in my view all medical programs should be over seen by the relevant specialist consultant ( im sure the consultants would love to add to his already huge pay packet) just to ensure the final result is factually correct and informative and educational rather than just entertaining viewing
 

Wish they would put something like this in the national press, or create a TV documentary of their own to set the record straight.

I know they are a charity and funds can be tight, but there are lots of volunteers (DUK members, Forums, etc) who could give time and resources.

I'd even settle for some promotional adverts, billboards, leaflets, etc but there needs to be more education about diabetes.

NiVZ
 
Hiya,

I couldnt get online last night, and it was killing me!

I feel as if I am carrying the worry of that teen with the "HI" BM who hasnt tested for "months" on my shoulders overnight because her parents arent....is that mad? This isnt fiction, this is someone real, who smokes, drinks, gets wasted and has type one diabetes and a community DSN who is trying to encourage her to test "in the party season"????? Excuse me?????

Oh this girl. Yes, infertility is serious (mum) but we know people in the D community who we have lost (especially in CWD) and I would be seriously concerned this girl could lose her life through lack of education and support......binge drinking, no insulin and no testing....I could cry.

Im sad on behalf of the parents on here who we know to loving, supportive, caring and who would move mountains to ensure their children are as minimally affected by this as possible.

The undertone of the whole series is essentially how people abuse themselves and the NHS healthcare system- perhaps why I like it so much as its a voice for a lot of things that are frustrating when you work in that context. However, we are a community on this board for support and help and I dont think this represents "us" as a whole. Where is programme about the people who dilligently finger prick 4-8 times a day, attend their appointments, live with it and strive for better?

Sigh.

I will watch it again to see if I take anything else from it, now I know what to expect. Oh, and I will be looking away at the toe- YUCK!!!

Well said Sugarbum, I found it shocking and sad. I did wonder about the doctors seemily laid back approach to the younger diabetics and about them not turning up for appointments, this approach doesn't seem to be working, maybe they should go to a diabetic 'bootcamp' with a diabetic american drill sergeant who would REALLY educate them and try to and sort them out, obviously for thier own wellbeing and the NHS's. Sheena😱
 
Oh how predictably depressing that program was - it was exactly as I expected it to be- using shocking surgeries to satisfy the ghouls but with no explanation about the why and wherefores. Little distinction between the types and no positives for those scared out of their wits to cling to.

I was so cross with that consultant - told that poor misguided girl that with Byetta she WILL lose weight on Byetta then they showed her Mum dishing up a "healthy" plate of fried chicken, potatoes AND rice and a small handfull of lettuce.

I just going to get my evening dose of Byetta and then take myself off to the fish and chip shop- I should be OK if I eat a picked cucumebr with it shouldn't I?

Sorry, but if I had him as my consultant then I wouldn't turn up to his sessions either😡
 
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Oh how predictably depressing and that program was - it was exactly as I expected it to be- using shocking surgeries to satisfy the ghouls but with no explanation about the why and wherefores. Little distinction between the types and no positives for those scared out of their wits to cling to.

I was so cross with that consultant - told that poor misguided girl that Byetta that she WILL lose weight on Byetta then they showed her Mum dishing up a "healthy" plate of fried chicken, potatoes AND rice and a small handfull of lettuce.

I just going to get my evening dose of Byetta and then take myself off to the fish and chip shop- I should be OK if I eat a picked cucumebr with it shouldn't I?

Sorry, but if I had him as my consultant then I wouldn't turn up to his sessions either😡

Are there adverse effects if you take byetta then eat lots of c**p.......
 
Are there adverse effects if you take byetta then eat lots of c**p.......

Hi sorry to butt in but im on it as well, if i ate loads of c**p after it id go hyper more then 100 per cent sure on that, way i see it if i did eat loads of c**p after taking my byetta id be wasting my time taking it in the first place.
 
it curbs your appetite if im right, so in theory you shouldnt really want to stuff ure face............
 
it curbs your appetite if im right, so in theory you shouldnt really want to stuff ure face............

yup thats true, it certainly fills me up now to the point where i rarely finish a main meal.
 
Great...now I have most of the office thinking the only reason I have diabetes is because I stuff my face and now they are on back.

I also now have a family who insist I go back to the nurse and tell her the programme says I must test!

I feel under so much pressure now and want to crawl under the duvet and not hear the D word ever again...and its my annual review tomorrow.

Some of it did make me think about how important the control is - but why have some people only picked out the negative for discussion.
 
it curbs your appetite if im right, so in theory you shouldnt really want to stuff ure face............

It does make you feel fuller for longer but after the honeymoon period during which you are naturally very careful about what you eat, someone like me who is an emotional eater can still crave the "wrong" foods. I find I would much rather have a nice pie or lump of fruit cake than a salad and piece of fruit. I might eat less of either than I would have pre-Byetta but it isn't a magic pill which turns you someone who never falls off the wagon. I wish!!!

If you do overeat, whatever type of food it is, you feel bloated and probably a bit sick a bit quicker than if you binged without the Byetta if you see what I mean. It is a great medication though - my levels came down really quickly- a lot quicker than anyone expected even with careful eating - I just think it gives the wrong message to imply that will power and education are not involved as then people like that girl will just give up- if the overdose of carbs doesn't kill her first!
 
Great...now I have most of the office thinking the only reason I have diabetes is because I stuff my face and now they are on back.

I also now have a family who insist I go back to the nurse and tell her the programme says I must test!

I feel under so much pressure now and want to crawl under the duvet and not hear the D word ever again...and its my annual review tomorrow.

Some of it did make me think about how important the control is - but why have some people only picked out the negative for discussion.

Hi Lucy, the program didn't help those of us who are trying to get good control because it presented an entirely negative picture and featured only people who didn't know how and why they should care for themselves. Reflecting on it, I feel so sorry for all those young people. Without exception, they were presented as wilfully ignoring the dangers and defiantly walking towards a shortened life filled with pain and distress. However, as has already been said, there was little to suggest that they were getting the level of support that they needed to overcome their unwillingness to accept their diabetes. The nervous smiles were typical teenage bravado - underneath it all I think they were probably very scared, but buried that fear in the way someone might put their hands over their ears and shout nononono! when they were being told something they didn't want to hear.

The programme wasn't seeking to explain diabetes to the public, just to let them know that it could have serious consequences for people who ignored or abused it. As a result, snippets about diabetes were lobbed in here and there whenever they lent some frisson to the scene underway. From a diabetic's point of view, this confused picture is undermining their efforts to inform their family, friends and colleagues of what a complex picture diabetes represents. I think this is why there is so much anger, and a lot of disappointment too, about the programme.

Don't allow your colleagues and family to base their understanding of diabetes on a programme like this - it would be like basing your knowledge of Chinese culture on the impressions of Benny Hill! I hope that your annual review goes well - I'm sure you will be fine, so please don't be nervous about it. 🙂
 
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