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"The Hospital" CH4 Prog on Diabetes Mon 16th August 9pm

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cherrypie said:
I don't understand why people are getting upset about it.

The whole series, not just this episode, is about teenagers and their attitude to life and lifestyle which is causing problems for the NHS. It is not about well managed diabetics or even the struggle that people have managing their diabetes.

Next week it is about liver disease now prevalent in people in their early twenties due to excessive alcohol consumption. If you drink in moderation will that mean that the programme will not be to your liking and will you complain that you are being stereotyped because you enjoy a drink?

What I did notice in the comments on Channel4 website is that there are some really indignant Type 1's who buy into the media stereotyping of Type 2's. We brought it on ourselves through gluttony and inactivity. I am sure some of them would like our foreheads tattooed with Type 2 so that people will know the difference. More and more research is uncovering clues about why people get Type 2 and hopefully one day we will not be seen as "those fat people who brought it on themselves".
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I do agree about the purpose of the programme not being about educating the public about diabetes. However, I think the message about the young people's poor lifestyle choices got intertwined in some way with generalisations about why people get diabetes. Your comment about research uncovering new information about causes is very true, but how often do you hear this mentioned in mainstream media when diabetes is being explained?

Regarding the Type1s who feel there is any truth in the 'fat and lazy' verdict on Type2s, I have always been very heartened by the fact that that is very rarely the case in this forum. I personally feel it is terrible that this is how Type2s are portrayed, no-one should be made to feel guilty because they have diabetes, and there is no 'good' and 'bad' reason for getting it.
 
I don't know what all the fuss is about, but I will say that cherrypie is correct in what she says, there are a lot of type 1s out there that seem to think there is some sort of stigma associated with type 2s. I am probably the longest serving member of this group, yes, I joined in October 2008 not November 2008 when you celebrate the forums birthday, but I contribute very little because I am fed up with reading where a type 2 asks for advice to find replys from type 1s saying sorry I cant help you because you are type2 and I am type 1 which is different, but someone will be along soon to help you.....why complain about the public lack of knowledge, when we feel we can't help each other type1 and type 2 because we feel we are different. I have news for some of you type 1s...I get the same problems as you and I am on MDI just like you, and have been on that insulin regime since first day of diagnoses. So, lets put our own house in order before jumping on others.
 
Were all here to help and at the very least give words of support.......

Im a type 1 and yes I can see the differences between 1s and 2s, they are different, 1s -no insulin 2s - have insulin.

Type 2s will also try and give advice to type 1s, why is that?

Is your MDI not a temporary thing as a type 2?
 
ukjohn said:
I don't know what all the fuss is about, but I will say that cherrypie is correct in what she says, there are a lot of type 1s out there that seem to think there is some sort of stigma associated with type 2s. I am probably the longest serving member of this group, yes, I joined in October 2008 not November 2008 when you celebrate the forums birthday, but I contribute very little because I am fed up with reading where a type 2 asks for advice to find replys from type 1s saying sorry I cant help you because you are type2 and I am type 1 which is different, but someone will be along soon to help you.....why complain about the public lack of knowledge, when we feel we can't help each other type1 and type 2 because we feel we are different. I have news for some of you type 1s...I get the same problems as you and I am on MDI just like you, and have been on that insulin regime since first day of diagnoses. So, lets put our own house in order before jumping on others.
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I must admit, I hadn't really got that impression John. Whenever someone not on insulin responds in that way to someone who is, or vice-versa, I've always thought it perfectly reasonable. Usually, the person is trying togive support in the form of encouragement, good wishes or concern, but admits to being ignorant of the mechanisms that may be causing the problem in question. There is a lot more interaction on this forum between people whose diabetes has different origins or treatments than on many others I have used, which I have always regarded as one of its strengths. I am always personally careful not to assume that, because someone is Type 2, they are not on insulin as I know many of you are.

Thank you for raising the point - any suggestions of how we can improve are always welcome.
 
novorapidboi26 said:
Were all here to help and at the very least give words of support.......

Im a type 1 and yes I can see the differences between 1s and 2s, they are different, 1s -no insulin 2s - have insulin.

Type 2s will also try and give advice to type 1s, why is that?

Is your MDI not a temporary thing as a type 2?
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That's not the case at all. A person with Type 2 may be put on insulin for precisely the same reason as a Type1 - their pancreas no longer produces insulin, or sufficient to keep their blood sugar in range.
 
Northerner....see novorapidboi26 message above, he is type 1 and assumes it must be a temporary thing that a type 2 is on insulin, which confirms my suggestion that we lack knowledge amongst ourselves in many cases..

novorapidboi

I was rushed into hospital by ambulance direct from the doctors surgery and diagnosed type 2, I was put on MDI from day one that was five years ago, and I was told that I would be on insulin for the rest of my life, not long to go now I suspect being 71 years old :D

Thank you Northerner...You replied whilst I was typing..
John
 
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Northerner said:
That's not the case at all. A person with Type 2 may be put on insulin for precisely the same reason as a Type1 - their pancreas no longer produces insulin, or sufficient to keep their blood sugar in range.
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If a type 2 pancreas has packed in altogether, then that is unfortunately type 1, would you not agree?????

If insulin is still produced, with the exception of type 1 honeymoon periods, then its type 2........

So my comment 1s -no insulin 2s have insulin still applies....:D
 
I watched this last night, and I thought it was a very interesting programme. My issue with it came mainly with the consultant pretty much flat out stating that all problems relating to diabetes were self-inflicted, and suggesting that the NHS should start to refuse treatment to patients base in that. This is something that I vehemently disagree with. The best control in the world is not guaranteed to prevent complications, it only reduces the risk, and I think that to suggest that anyone who has problems relating to diabetes (no matter the type) has brought it on themselves is a very ignorant and dangerous thing to say.

With regards to helping other people on the forum, I only make suggestions or try and answer questions if I have some knowledge or experience of the matter. If someone asks about MDI and I think I can help, I'll answer, regardless of whether the person is type 1 or 2 (or indeed 1.5). If someone asks, for example, about Byetta or CGMS, I won't answer because I don't know much about it. I think a lot of people on this do something similar, and you'll often see people offering sympathy or a hug, but saying they don't know much about the question being asked, and I don't think there's anything wring with that. I agree with Northerner, one of the things I really like about this forum is that there is much more of a feeling of us all being diabetics, each with our own individual issues, rather than a big divide according to type. 🙂
 
ukjohn said:
Northerner....see novorapidboi26 message above, he is type 1 and assumes it must be a temporary thing that a type 2 is on insulin, which confirms my suggestion that we lack knowledge amongst ourselves in many cases..
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Agreed we often lack knowledge, often due to the fact that, despite its seeming ubiquity, diabetics often live in isolation with their disease and are only aware vaguely of the experiences of others. I also agree that this lack of knowledge should not manifest itself as any kind of prejudice - all people with diabetes should recognise that we all face similar struggles and dangers. Unfortunately, not all people recognise that, as is the case in all walks of life. It's like saying left-handers are better than right-handers!🙄
 
novorapidboi26 said:
If a type 2 pancreas has packed in altogether, then that is unfortunately type 1, would you not agree?????

If insulin is still produced, with the exception of type 1 honeymoon periods, then its type 2........

So my comment 1s -no insulin 2s have insulin still applies....:D
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Sorry NRB, this assumption is incorrect - you don't change type because of your need for insulin.
 
novorapidboi26 said:
If a type 2 pancreas has packed in altogether, then that is unfortunately type 1, would you not agree?????

If insulin is still produced, with the exception of type 1 honeymoon periods, then its type 2........

So my comment 1s -no insulin 2s have insulin still applies....:D
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Actually, no, a type 2 does not become a type 1 if they are on insulin. Type one is an auto immune disease in which the immune system destroys the insulin producing cells in the pancreas. The mechanisms by which a type 2 can end up on insulin are different, so they merely become a type 2 on insulin. 🙂
 
ukjohn said:
Northerner....see novorapidboi26 message above, he is type 1 and assumes it must be a temporary thing that a type 2 is on insulin, which confirms my suggestion that we lack knowledge amongst ourselves in many cases..

novorapidboi

I was rushed into hospital by ambulance direct from the doctors surgery and diagnosed type 2, I was put on MDI from day one that was five years ago, and I was told that I would be on insulin for the rest of my life, not long to go now I suspect being 71 years old :D

Thank you Northerner...You replied whilst I was typing..
John
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Im sure you will live for many years to come........

I believe if your on insulin as a type 2, at a good weight for your pancreas to cope with then that surely means the pancreas is slowly giving up and eventually you will become type 1, NO!
 
randomange said:
Actually, no, a type 2 does not become a type 1 if they are on insulin. Type one is an auto immune disease in which the immune system destroys the insulin producing cells in the pancreas. The mechanisms by which a type 2 can end up on insulin are different, so they merely become a type 2 on insulin. 🙂
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Good explanation...........so a type 2 pancreas can be knackered and its still type 2!!

I stand corrected!!:confused:
 
novorapidboi26 said:
Im sure you will live for many years to come........

I believe if your on insulin as a type 2, at a good weight for your pancreas to cope with then that surely means the pancreas is slowly giving up and eventually you will become type 1, NO!
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See Ange's reply - No! 🙂

Ah, you did! 😉
 
What is the problem with testing BS which I found highlighted in this programme? I have no quarms with this and never had. The meters are so small these days, and no one bats an eyelid as a fuss is not requried. I never carry the carry-case, and have the meter and strips in either my jeans pocket or suit jacket for easy access.
Surely not injecting must make them feel horrendous. How can you go through life feeling like that when a test is so simple. Normally with high levels there is a need to visit the loo more often and therefore an ideal opportunity to test and inject. Don't have time, my arse.
I almost want to volunteer myself up for a day in the life of a normal DB! From the TV producers and those shown. I don't see my lifestyle being any different from others and my friends. We need a balanced view.
 
I suspect they don't test because they are afraid of what the numbers might be Curdster! Agree about how awful they must feel - that young lad at the start who had levels of 50 (50!!! :eek) must have felt dreadful. I was 37 when admitted and I was nearly dead - never felt so bad in my life! Even now, anything double figures makes me feel rough. Perhaps their bodies have adjusted to being high all the time (and doing slow, unseen damage, even though they don't feel too bad).
 
Yes 50 was a shock. I have had some highs but no where need that bad. They must be drinking like mad. I dread to think what woudl happen to me at 50,
Do you think that we were only shown the extremes here and that there were other DB's available but that they did not produce the shock value requried to make the ratings?
 
It seemed to me that it was just that hospital..................

It did focus on teens and young adults though.........everyone else was probably tyring there best...........
 
Northerner said:
Didn't like the conclusion with the doctor planting the idea that diabetes was a (inevitable, almost) consequence of being fat and lazy - particularly since he was displaying a personal tendency towards visceral adiposity!
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I noticed that all the health care professionals were overweight!
 
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