The Fast Fix: Diabetes - ITV, 13th/14th June 2018

[Mark Parrott]

No Martin not at his house...Kale smoothies ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww😱 … I'm waiting for an invite to Carb Thursday.🙂

I did try one & thought it was absolutely revolting (and I like veg). But she likes veg even more.

 

[Mark Parrott]

I managed that without Metformin or the Newcastle diet (well 12 mmols to be exact).

I dropped by 40mmol after 3 months without a shake in sight.🙂

 

[Maz2]

I watched it with gritted teeth. It was great they all lost weight and some are now in the non diabetic range but where was the part where they educated them on what to do next? What really annoyed me was the fact the NHS “ grumble” that Type 2 Diabetes cost 10% of the total budget, a staggering 150 million pound a day apparently but doesn’t help those who are diagnosed. Reading this forum over the years and my own experience, you are told “ oh you are diabetic, loose weight, take these pills and we will see you next year”. The DESMOND course is patronising at best and still adheres to the old advise of filling your plate mostly with carbs. The participants on the show didn’t really know anything about healthy eating and seemed shocked at their HbA1c. It may have been for the cameras but one or two of them seemed upset. I think the GP or DSN should prescribe first and foremost, membership to this forum. We are the experts not them!

Exactly. I went on a diabetes prevention programme and when I mentioned I was losing weight \I was told to "up the carbs." Hm. Thought that caused the probs in the first place. When I told my Optometrist when I went for my usual eye check he said "oh are they teaching you to become diabetic then". He is a HFLC lover (non diabetic). I very much agree that it is no use the NHS moaning about how much diabetes is costing when they are giving out advice that may in some cases be making things worse. Also there are other things wrong with the NHS too - too many Managers, an ageing population who are going to use it more because they are older through no fault of their own, alcoholism, smoking.

 

[Carolg]

If I did this diet I would be down the plug hole in 2weeks !!!
Carol

I would have to have big boat shoes to stop me falling down drains

 

[Maz2]

You so totally get it, Wendy, that's part of why I prefer the term "Well Controlled" over "cured" or "reversed", it may be semantics but to think of myself as "well controlled" reminds me to keep on living this lifestyle I don't want to face the consequences of uncontrolled D. I did let control slip at the beginning of the year & was rewarded with an A1c back in the pre-D range (5.9)

Martin - are you in the US? Cannot recall. \I think the levels are lower over there. I don't think in the UK pre-diabetes is until you are 6.1% but may have to stand corrected on this one.

 

[Maz2]

Finally the NHS are to recommend the low carb approach with diet...
www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2018/jun/low-carb-program-achieves-qismet-approval-to-be-recommended-by-the-nhs-94355134.html
I wonder how long this will take to filter through to our HCP's?

Hallelujah Bubbsie. At last!!

 

[Maz2]

I am not a member of org.uk but would not mind paying the fee. It is a charitable organisation with no funding from Government so needs to get the money from somewhere. Not sure whether I would be eligible as pre-diabetic, not diabetic.

 

[Martin Canty]

Martin - are you in the US?

Correct Maz, US pre-D levels are 5.7%(39mmol) to 6.5%(48).... In the UK it's 6.0(42)-6.5(48) (from the 'Red' site)

Expat living in California

 

[Bubbsie]

I am not a member of org.uk but would not mind paying the fee. It is a charitable organisation with no funding from Government so needs to get the money from somewhere. Not sure whether I would be eligible as pre-diabetic, not diabetic.

This is another forum

Hallelujah Bubbsie. At last!!

I wouldn't get too excited Maz...lord know how long it may take to 'filter' through...if at all...but it's a start I suppose.

 

[Carolg]

I watched the program, and must admit I was a bit grumped. Was it my imagination or was the focus on calories with little if any mention of carbs, tthe participants all seemed to loaf about like the store dogs, and do nothing but weild their blenders and bowls and spoons. I know you couldn’t see them all the time and understood that exercise would have to wait a bit due to getting used to reduced calories. But I will say, I didn’t have anything to grump about the diet, but how many people in this age of austerity and poverty could self fund.
Also, I was getting really mad about all the comments on how much type 2 and obesity is costing nhs. How to make us feel bad. Yes I was overweight, am costing nhs for meds and follow up. We all probably paid into the nhs over our years, and are not free loaders. I am not saying it’s right to say it, but other “conditions” which are perhaps self perpetuating also cost a lot. Perhaps education from younger age and manufacturing should also be looked at.

If this causes offence moderators, please delete

Rant over, I am going to make my tea and have a g and low calorie tonic

 

[Bubbsie]

QUOTE="Carolg, post: 833571, member: 14628"]I watched the program, and must admit I was a bit grumped. Was it my imagination or was the focus on calories with little if any mention of carbs, tthe participants all seemed to loaf about like the store dogs, and do nothing but weild their blenders and bowls and spoons. I know you couldn’t see them all the time and understood that exercise would have to wait a bit due to getting used to reduced calories. But I will say, I didn’t have anything to grump about the diet, but how many people in this age of austerity and poverty could self fund.
Also, I was getting really mad about all the comments on how much type 2 and obesity is costing nhs. How to make us feel bad. Yes I was overweight, am costing nhs for meds and follow up. We all probably paid into the nhs over our years, and are not free loaders. I am not saying it’s right to say it, but other “conditions” which are perhaps self perpetuating also cost a lot. Perhaps education from younger age and manufacturing should also be looked at.

If this causes offence moderators, please delete

Rant over, I am going to make my tea and have a g and low calorie tonic[/QUOTE]
Yes what a good idea Carol...a G & T...I think that should be available on prescription😉

 

[Carolg]

More drink building up in my cupboard than I will ever get through. Taking it all on holidays and we will work slowly (or quickly ) through it

 

[Maz2]

It is not offensive Carole it is true. I watched the programme. I am pre-diabetic, got out of it and now back in it. I was very irritated at them going on about the cost to the NHS. What about drinking, smoking, too many manages, underfunding, ageing population, drug addiction etc. They dwelt on weight but I know people who are obese who are not diabetic or pre and underweight (me)or normal weight and diabetic or pre so it is not just down to weight.

They only used 5 people. I can name 4 on here who have got their blood sugars into acceptable levels and well done to them but 5 people is hardly a "scientific study". Still gives the programme makers something to stick on the TV I suppose.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

It is not offensive Carole it is true. I watched the programme. I am pre-diabetic, got out of it and now back in it. I was very irritated at them going on about the cost to the NHS. What about drinking, smoking, too many manages, underfunding, ageing population, drug addiction etc. They dwelt on weight but I know people who are obese who are not diabetic or pre and underweight (me)or normal weight and diabetic or pre so it is not just down to weight.

They only used 5 people. I can name 4 on here who have got their blood sugars into acceptable levels and well done to them but 5 people is hardly a "scientific study". Still gives the programme makers something to stick on the TV I suppose.

Probably quite good for the 5 as well to be honest.

 

[Teadance]

Does anyone know if it’s the speed of weight loss on an 800 calorie, liquid food diet, that reduces liver and pancreatic fat, or whether any weight reducing diet has the same effect but just takes longer?

 

[Carolg]

Does anyone know if it’s the speed of weight loss on an 800 calorie, liquid food diet, that reduces liver and pancreatic fat, or whether any weight reducing diet has the same effect but just takes longer?

No idea, but it would be good to know.

 

[Grannylorraine]

Does anyone know if it’s the speed of weight loss on an 800 calorie, liquid food diet, that reduces liver and pancreatic fat, or whether any weight reducing diet has the same effect but just takes longer?

From my understanding from my liver consultant. Losing weight by whatever means helps with liver fat. Mine went down significantly following slimming world, but I then became diabetic probably from eating that carb rich diet. I asked my GP yesterday about this fast fix for diabetes, after she had laughed and said there is no fast fix, she was quite happy for me to follow a low carb eating plan which is what I am doing, but not to do a 800 calorie or meal replacement diet, this also backs up what the liver consultant told me about not losing weight rapidly using very low calorie diets or meal replacements.

But as we all know different things work for different people. I have a friend who got herself out of diabetic range following slimming world to the letter, she lost about 6 stone.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Does anyone know if it’s the speed of weight loss on an 800 calorie, liquid food diet, that reduces liver and pancreatic fat, or whether any weight reducing diet has the same effect but just takes longer?

I did the 800 calorie diet as it had been tested, and seemed to actually reverse my diabetes. I lost weight slowly beforehand, which didn't show the same improvement.
I think the acid test is can those who lost weight slowly eat a balanced diet now, as I can, or do carbs still peak their BG.
I suspect we could get bogged down in what a balanced diet is, how it doesnt work for everyone, how lc is better, how diabetes may still come back, but, at the end of the day, it was the 800 calorie diet that reversed, not controlled, my diabetes.
But that's just me.
I had one chance, I made my choice.

 

[Carolg]

I did the 800 calorie diet as it had been tested, and seemed to actually reverse my diabetes. I lost weight slowly beforehand, which didn't show the same improvement.
I think the acid test is can those who lost weight slowly eat a balanced diet now, as I can, or do carbs still peak their BG.
I suspect we could get bogged down in what a balanced diet is, how it doesnt work for everyone, how lc is better, how diabetes may still come back, but, at the end of the day, it was the 800 calorie diet that reversed, not controlled, my diabetes.
But that's just me.
I had one chance, I made my choice.

Whatever worked for you traveller was good for you. I have been trying to do the “do not eat c&£p” diet.i have lost just over 5 stone since before diagnosis in Nov 2015 and weight now stable, but not to lose any more. Trying hard to get BG down but reliant on 3 type of meds, but look at beige food or sugar and do spike. What I am doing is mainly working but that compliance thing is sometimes a trial. Get bloods done in August to see if I have sustained my compliance, but maybe need injectables. If so, it is so

 

[Carolg]

From my understanding from my liver consultant. Losing weight by whatever means helps with liver fat. Mine went down significantly following slimming world, but I then became diabetic probably from eating that carb rich diet. I asked my GP yesterday about this fast fix for diabetes, after she had laughed and said there is no fast fix, she was quite happy for me to follow a low carb eating plan which is what I am doing, but not to do a 800 calorie or meal replacement diet, this also backs up what the liver consultant told me about not losing weight rapidly using very low calorie diets or meal replacements.

But as we all know different things work for different people. I have a friend who got herself out of diabetic range following slimming world to the letter, she lost about 6 stone.

Well said grannylorraine