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reduced fat cheese in the diet plans

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ian1962

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Lets face it - reduced fat cheese is woeful.

So what's the equivelent amount of real cheese that has any actual flavour? half? a third?

If I can have then (say) just 10g of something worth having, three times a week, can i just not use it the first two times and bundle the lot up together for the third time in a week?

ian1962
 
Well why are you on a low-fat diet rather than just a weight loss one? And why is cheese such an essential item in your repertoire? I like cheese same as I like a million different other things and I expect I'd miss it like hell if you told me I couldn't have it again. However it must be over a week since I had any - and that's not unusual.
 
Wouldn't touch the stuff. I eat 3 or 4 times each week 30 grams full fat Cheddar as part of my low carbs diet. 60 grm carbs per day limit. My wieght has fallen from 98 kilos on Sept 28th to 88.2 kilos this morning. I put myself on a Low Carb, High Protein, diet which includes cheese until I reach my target weight. Doesn't do me any harm.
The issue to watch is the carb content.
 
TBH I dunno. Im finding nigh on impossible to find any guidance. I can be referred to a clinic - but its on a Monday afternoon. I'm a working man so can;t make it.

So punting around for some ideas for diet plans I found this site - the idea being I can get a feel over a while as to what works etc. The diet plans go on about reduced fat cheese. so I was wondering if anyone has any ideas as to how that "works" overall. That's all. Quite simple really.

As to why any particular diet - well the current approach doesn't work so i need to try something different. ive no idea if I need a low fat, low carb, low badger or whatever diet cos I can't find any advice that doesn't mean I have to take time off work (which isn't easy at the best of times).
 
@ian1962 I work full time and am currently in Shanghai, was diagnosed Sept 28th 2 days before I left the UK without a clue.
If you look at the threads in this forum relating to food and in particluar
Food/carb queries + recipes
There is a huge treasure trove of very useful information.
Take time to work this all out but this forum resourse is amaziing.
Also the thread "what did you eat yesterday "
🙂
There is also Low Carbs programme and advice with videos here
https://www.lowcarbprogram.com
 
Well - let's start again at the beginning Ian - then perhaps we can suggest things that might actually help you.

You need to tell us a bit more please - when diagnosed, what meds prescribed, what's your blood glucose doing, do you need to lose weight if so how much - and what HAVE you already tried that 'isn't working' ?
 
Ian are you not able to take some time off for a health appointment? Any employer would be heartless to prohibit you from attending a clinic which will benefit your health. I’m afraid I do eat cheese. I struggle to do low carb and low fat. I could be wrong but more and more current medical thinking does seem to lean towards carbs and not fat being the enemy. Lidl make a soft goats cheese that is much lower in fat than most cheeses if you like goats though.
 
I eat lots of full fat cheese, mainly in cooking and I have lost a huge amount of weight. I also have butter, bacon & cream. Keeping my carbs low means I burn the fat for energy and not put on weight. I have levelled out now, but I am at my ideal weight, so my diet must be balanced just right. And don't worry about cholesterol. We produce our own cholesterol from our liver. Dietary cholesterol only has a small effect on our blood cholesterol.
 
This isn't a health appointment - its a series of afternoon sessions for several weeks (10? IIRC). Some distance from here. So basically its a non starter. (see top post)

diagnosed 2006. treated with metformin, and vast quantities of exercise (15-20 hours a week). Post 2012 and hip replacement that exercise regime has been not feasible (see top post)

No idea what the numbers are or what they mean - guess I cold learn this from the Monday sessions when i am at work maybe?

No idea what I "have to do" - guess I could learn this from the Monday sessions that are held when i am at work maybe? So I've no idea whether I should be on a low carb, low calorie, low fat, low badger or whatever style diet. I have no "official" guidance available.

I did have a dietician appointment was back when I was first diagnosed - I explained about the differing dietary requirements in our household and I/we needed guidance (our children were also young at the time and so had some more specific dietary needs as growing children etc). her advice was "eat stew seven days a week, lunch and evening". I didn't bother going back.

I don't suppose I've tried anything really, as I have no idea what I am/was supposed to be trying. Most meals are cooked from scratch ie no over ready meals etc, don;t eat takeaways very often. I perceive I/we eat what "most" people eat that cook from scratch etc. Nothing fancy, nothing drowned in cream or sugar (I only "take" sugar on porridge,, and I don;t eat much porridge as despite all the claims to be low GI, I'm always hungry an hour after eating it.

All I do know is that the metformin with whatever i am doing that seems "normal" is not controlling my diabetes and if I don;t want to head to insulin and injections "something has to change".

Problem is - I have no idea what has to change and how this will "work" with the family scenario - short of me becoming a silo for eating.
 
Thanks for the points about fats v carbs... that's my understandign too.

So - a question... if fat isn't the problem why do this site's meal planners promulgate reduced fat cheese?
 
Unfortunately there is not a one size fits all. Different people seem to be able to tolerate different foods. Sometimes it is not what you eat it is the quantity.
 
I'm certainly coming to the conclusion that I'm on my own with no direction or advice available (given I'm not retired or unemployed). Guess I keep guessing until my legs fall off!

Hey ho! LOL.
 
This isn't a health appointment - its a series of afternoon sessions for several weeks (10? IIRC). Some distance from here. So basically its a non starter. (see top post)

diagnosed 2006. treated with metformin, and vast quantities of exercise (15-20 hours a week). Post 2012 and hip replacement that exercise regime has been not feasible (see top post)

No idea what the numbers are or what they mean - guess I cold learn this from the Monday sessions when i am at work maybe?

No idea what I "have to do" - guess I could learn this from the Monday sessions that are held when i am at work maybe? So I've no idea whether I should be on a low carb, low calorie, low fat, low badger or whatever style diet. I have no "official" guidance available.

I did have a dietician appointment was back when I was first diagnosed - I explained about the differing dietary requirements in our household and I/we needed guidance (our children were also young at the time and so had some more specific dietary needs as growing children etc). her advice was "eat stew seven days a week, lunch and evening". I didn't bother going back.

I don't suppose I've tried anything really, as I have no idea what I am/was supposed to be trying. Most meals are cooked from scratch ie no over ready meals etc, don;t eat takeaways very often. I perceive I/we eat what "most" people eat that cook from scratch etc. Nothing fancy, nothing drowned in cream or sugar (I only "take" sugar on porridge,, and I don;t eat much porridge as despite all the claims to be low GI, I'm always hungry an hour after eating it.

All I do know is that the metformin with whatever i am doing that seems "normal" is not controlling my diabetes and if I don;t want to head to insulin and injections "something has to change".

Problem is - I have no idea what has to change and how this will "work" with the family scenario - short of me becoming a silo for eating.
Oh dear. I empathise. I had early hip replacement couple of months ago and I’m sure it played a part in my getting diabetes as I couldn’t exercise beforehand. I am diet controlled only so not in your position. I try to limit carbs and make sure if I have them for treats I eat with protein. Porridge with sugar will make you hungry as oats are high carb plus sugar too. I use xylitol for sweetening now and rather than porridge would try say chia seeds soaked overnight with pumpkin seeds and nuts. I’d have a chat with your doctor about finding someone helpful. Diabetic nurse wasn’t helpful to me either. Hope you find some answers
 
I'm certainly coming to the conclusion that I'm on my own with no direction or advice available (given I'm not retired or unemployed). Guess I keep guessing until my legs fall off!

Hey ho! LOL.
Hi Ian, I'd suggest having a read of Maggie Davey's letter for starters - it should give you a good overview of the best approach to food choices to help you with your diabetes. There's nothing particularly 'special' in the food suggestions she describes which would mean they wouldn't be perfectly healthy for the other members of your household, although obviously some selection would have to be made to cater for the particular regimes of some.

Basically, what you are looking for is food that will release its energy slowly and steadily, meaning that your body is more able to cope with it without sending your levels high, then dropping them lower (a 'spike') or possibly sending them high and they remain high. A good approach is described in the GL(Glycaemic Load) diet - The GL Diet for Dummies is a very good introduction to this method of selecting and combining food. 🙂 Also, you should be testing your blood sugar levels before and after eating meals in order to ascertain how well, or otherwise, your body tolerates the food (described very well in Test,Review, Adjust by Alan S ). If you don't have blood glucose monitor then it is well worth getting one. If your nurse or GP won't supply one, then the cheapest option we have come across is theSD Codefree Meter which has test strips at around £8 for 50. Once you have established what food choices you tolerate well then you won't need to test as frequently, except perhaps when you want to try something new or for the occasional spot check 🙂

Forget fat as being a problem, it is actually helpful for people with diabetes as it helps to slow the digestion and reducing the possibility of the spikes I mentioned earlier. Its role in weight gain is being largely discredited now, with many studies showing that it is the increase in carbohydrates in our diet that is the principle cause of weight gain in the population over the past 30 years. Here's why, particularly in Type 2 diabetes: when you eat carbohydrates your pancreas releases insulin to allow your body to use the glucose that is released into the blood for energy. Unfortunately, with Type 2, there is something called 'insulin resistance' at play, which means your body is not able to use the insulin efficiently, and your blood sugar levels become elevated as a result. What then happens is that your pancreas tries to overcome this resistance by producing even more insulin. Unfortunately (again!) because your body still can't use all the glucose efficiently, the insulin works to create new fat cells and you gain weight (or, at least, fail to lose any weight). So, reducing your carbs reduces the need for your body to produce excess insulin and less fat is laid down 🙂

When you were exercising this would have hugely improved your body's ability to use insulin efficiently, so your weight would have been much more balanced. If you're not able to exercise to the same intensity now then it's even more important to ensure that your body is not being overstressed by too much carbohydrate which it finds difficult to handle.

Sorry for such a long-winded answer, but I hope it helps you to understand more of what is going on, and a methodical way of gaining control over your diabetes, hope it helps! 🙂
 
Ok - testing.

I have a machine and strips from my GP. But I was never provided with any advice on when to use them inclusing timings etc wrt emals, or what the results mean etc. maybe I would learn that from the Monday afternoon sessions that i can;t get to because I am at work. Whatever.

So - dummies guide to a testing regime? link? paragraph?

Really appreciate all you people's input. For the first time in a decade I feel as if there may be some answers !
 
Ok - testing.

I have a machine and strips from my GP. But I was never provided with any advice on when to use them inclusing timings etc wrt emals, or what the results mean etc. maybe I would learn that from the Monday afternoon sessions that i can;t get to because I am at work. Whatever.

So - dummies guide to a testing regime? link? paragraph?

Really appreciate all you people's input. For the first time in a decade I feel as if there may be some answers !
Click on this:

Test,Review, Adjust by Alan S

Also, read this to understand what you are aiming for (but don't expect the process to be quick and easy, it takes time to get the knowledge and make the adjustments so you can approach the 'ideal' ranges - it's a marathon, not a sprint 🙂)

https://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Managing-your-diabetes/Testing/#glucose
 
My two cents. Buy good cheese instead of low price one, maybe directly from farmers, and eat less of it. Even id it's not made with skimmed milk at least tastes better. And if you choose a PGI one the production has to follow some rules so the calorie and fat content should be almost the same
 
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