Rare myocarditis after COVID shots: Study rules out some common culprits

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fair point as that was pre vaccines for most. However much of the 2020 epidemic was in lockdown or with massive restrictions being exercised by these same groups. I will admit I’m shocked there apparently were no deaths in these categories though. Can the same be demonstrated anywhere else or it an artefact in the Scottish statistics and thus why it’s being used?
 
No Idea.. although every NHS person who died appeared to have co-morbidities in the early days.. but again they died with and not necessarily from...

This is a rather disturbing read on "safe and effective" and pregnancy...

https://pandauncut.substack.com/p/are-vaccines-safe-in-pregnancy
The with and not of argument is a difficult one. Had they not caught covid would they have died at that time is the question I would ask. If not then covid is still the (or at least a) cause of death.

If any one of us in here had died with covid we statistically would have fallen into the “with not of” basket. Are you saying all diabetics that died with covid died because of their diabetes regardless “of” the covid? Are you expecting to die of diabetes anytime soon? or others of asthma etc.

Many of those you are trying to dismiss as dying because of their comorbidities were a long way from dying anytime soon and were expecting to lead normal life expectancies of many more years. I’d agree some were on deaths door and potentially likely to go soon at the first additional burden on their health be it covid, flu or even a common cold and those are perhaps the ones that are justifiably in that category of “with”
 
first additional burden on their health be it covid, flu or even a common cold
Indeed and the flu suddenly disappeared in 2020 !
And where did all the Midazolam go... ?
 
Indeed and the flu suddenly disappeared in 2020 !
And where did all the Midazolam go... ?
Not really surprised flu “disappeared”. What with the serious lack of mixing and masks. So if you manage to put a loose lid on the spread of covid (which we did for a while) then the less contagious flu would also be contained. Quite honestly if people sick with flu stayed home as a matter of routine rather than being brave soldiers giving it to all their colleagues we’d all get a lot less of it.

Where did it go? Was it used in covid care ? Or are you suggesting something else entirely?
 
What with the serious lack of mixing and masks.
So how did covid spread..?
You can't have it both ways...
 
So how did covid spread..?
You can't have it both ways...
I’m not. But the spread of covid was reduced thus the spread of flu was even more so due to the fact it is harder to catch flu than covid. I’m not saying that some cases of flu weren’t mistakenly assumed to be covid (particularly in people that didn’t actually test) but it’s also perfectly believable they were a lot less than usual.
 
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