Prescription charges frozen to help with cost of living crisis, Sajid Javid says (England)

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Nothing in particular, just feels a bit unnerving that we could end up in lockdown/restrictions again, without any consultation from ourselves or our government. We could end up in another cost of living crisis. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9550/
Seems unlikely to me. That page seems to be talking about a desire for monitoring and cooperation. I can't imagine the WHO trying to impose lockdowns or restrictions in any way. WHO (and public health people generally) have repeatedly said that extreme restrictions are a sign you failed: much better to control infections sooner, so you don't need to shut everything down. WHO just isn't that big of an organisation and doesn't have a whole lot of power.
 
@Amity Island: Thanks for the link, I do in fact remember reading about this. Although I didn't put it together with the way you seem to have interpreted it.

I have to agree with @Bruce Stephens on this: With 194 member states, many of whom are either: extremely secretive; paranoid dictatorships or both, there is absolutely zero chance of what you suggest coming to pass.

In general, my initial reaction to the proposal, which hasn't changed, was: "It's about bloody time!"

For over thirty years, since before Gulf War 1, I have been concerned about the twin threats of emerging disease and bio-terrorism. Having an ex-girlfriend who was involved with CND during the 1980's, I did a review of bio-weapons. There was very little public information available. but what I did find was alarming. Though not for the reasons you might think.

At the time, the prevailing western military thinking was on area denial with bio-weapons you could control: botulism toxin, ricin, anthrax and smallpox. The problem, in my view, was that this is not the way dictators and terrorists think. People like Saddam Hussein or Osama Bin Laden do not think in terms of controlling the result. Their ideal weapon is literally a chicken egg full of a really nasty hemorrhagic virus like ebola, (or worse), which you can break in a crowded airport. Today, the threat is even more dangerous, with either Jihadists deliberately infecting themselves with something truly awful, or right wing extremists cooking up a nasty home-brew in a disused brewery. In both cases, there is a distinct possibility of the bio-weapon being genetically modified to evade vaccines and increase the infection and fatality rates.

Similarly, a few years ago I was doing a review of literature on environmentalism and re-wilding. While not figuring prominently in the literature at the time, for anyone moderately familiar with the subject, emerging disease linked to climate change and habitat loss was obviously going to become a major issue. Which it now has, hence BoJo's support for the WHO initiative.

Like I say, if you want to get on your soap-box about national sovereignty, its a free country and I will support your right to do so to the hilt. However, make it about things that are a genuine threat to sovereignty, (like the CTTP or any future US trade deal,) not non-issues like this which if we do nothing, can only lead to a disaster of epic proportions.

Remember, it is estimated that the Black Death killed somewhere between 45 and 55% of the population of Europe. It is not beyond the realms of possibility for history to repeat itself. In fact, while still in it's infancy, mathematical-ecology [think particle physics] would say that increasing environmental pressure will make such an outbreak an inevitability.

@Bruce Stephens: Interesting analysis in the Guardian today on why the UK has the highest inflation rate amongst any of the G7.
 
@Bruce Stephens: Interesting analysis in the Guardian today on why the UK has the highest inflation rate amongst any of the G7.
Yes, I saw that. All the stories seem to be saying roughly the same thing (except for one woman on Politics Live who blamed government borrowing and QE, though she wasn't challenged and didn't offer any reasoning). (I'd again saying I don't think excessive government borrowing or QE is harmless, just that I'm not sure this is excessive and I don't see the mechanism that would cause significant inflation. It feels a lot like a right wing meme, much like invoking the Laffer curve whenever someone suggests changing a tax rate.)
 
I agree completely. I actually find it quite shocking how politicians, particularly on the right, by wrapping themselves in the flag, can get away with wild claims which do not stand up to any kind of analysis.

In the news, I have recently been reading occasional articles about Green New Deal and New Keynesian economics. I keep meaning to take a longer look at the subject. It's a project which is only at the kernel stage, just lacking the impetus to get started. But, about a month or so ago I was talking to one of the lecturers at the uni, being very much a post Reagan/Thatcher orthodox, he was a bit dismissive about the idea. However, when I pointed out that Keynesian economics worked during both the 1930's and during the post-war recovery, he conceded the point.

What I find extremely worrying is the increasing trend of government borrowing to fund tax cuts that only really benefit people who are already extremely wealthy. Both from private conversations and published articles, I think many fund managers, analysts and other members of the business elite feel the same way and are starting to worry about how wealth inequality is actually dragging the wider economy down.
 
It feels a lot like a right wing meme, much like invoking the Laffer curve whenever someone suggests changing a tax rate
I read the Wikipedia page on the Laffer Curve and spent the evening digesting it. It was very interesting, and fits in with a lot of things I have been mulling over recently. In applied maths, the idea of maximisation is pretty common and, in terms of what I have been reading recently, this seems to provide a missing piece to the puzzle. Thanks for mentioning it.
 
Martin Lewis yesterday talking about riots due to cost of living. Police chief said they will be considerate in these circumstances as they understand why. Still...people will be reluctant to give up their mobile phone subscription and netflix/prime subscription, beer, fags, designer bags, collagen implants, pedicures, hairdressers, 4x4's yet turn up at food banks etc.


If your housebound tv might be all you have so don't agree with all you said AM, what might seem like luxuries to some can be essential to others for their mental wellbeing.

Tbh I couldnt give up mobile phone as they'd be no way for people to contact me, example drs & hospital appointments as don't have landline phone anymore.
 
I get what you are saying too. I'm talking about for example that there is no need to have anything beyond what is essential. There are kids going to school each day having had no breakfast, not because of lack of the ability to buy food but lack of priorities (fags more important than food).

I see people going to food banks in £60,000 4x4's, yes cars are important, but a cheap runaround does the job. I see the same people with £600 mobile phones.

I agree mental health is important, but for me mental health is about being treated with respect, having a decent meal, feeling valued etc etc, "needing" the latest phone isn't about mental health, it's about the ego.
To access some benefits you must have a mobile phone and email. No other way to access. If circumstances change quickly then it is likely people have good stuff but no money.
When trading down an expensive vehicle will not be part exchanged or bought for the same price as when trading up. You'd be lucky to get a cheap runaround in a straight swap.
A phone which costs £600 to buy can't be sold for the same amount. You have obviously never found yourself in cash strapped circumstances.
I have a fairly expensive guitar which I bought back in 1970 for a few pounds as the owner was desperate for cash - I gave him all that I had in notes and coins because he had to pay a debt in hard currency and was going around everyone he knew to try to scrape together enough to pay off his dealer. It really was pay or die.
 
You've missed the point I was trying to put across.
I think it is you that is missing the point, again!

It has been proven over and over again that eye witness testimony is the very worst kind of evidence. As scientist have known since the birth of science: What you think you think you see, is highly coloured by personal prejudice, and, as a result, totally unreliable in any kind of factual context.

This why mathematicians developed hypothesis testing, and Procurators are very reluctant to prosecute on eye witness testimony alone.
 
Your latest opinion is predicated on you, personally, having seen people outside food banks with expensive phones and big, flash cars. This is despite all reputable sources saying that the need for food banks is so desperate, the system is close to collapse. As a result, the only thing your posts are telling us is that you have a prejudice against people who use food banks.

I am not trying to be offensive, and it may not be your intention, but that is what your posts are actually saying.
 
The depressing thing about foodbanks is that may folk who use them are in work, or have a family member who is working. The sad fact is that low paid jobs are not able to cope with the increase in food prices and the increase in energy costs. Some nurses have had to use them.

Don't forget that not anyone can just walk into a fooodbank to get supplies. You need a voucher which involves checking your family income.

And foodbanks appeared before the recent energy price increases, or the increase in food prices. This was a direct result of ten years of austerity and wage freezes, plus the separating benefits from the RPI, so they haven't increased for years.

Sunak's plan for all this money - £400 for everyone, even himself - is peanuts. I'll get that, plus the added bonus for being disabled. So will my wife. Even if I get the whole panoply of bonuses on the £400 it will amount to less than a week's income from my pension. How is that a sensible use of money? I don't need it, it will all go to charity.
 
Sunak's plan for all this money - £400 for everyone, even himself - is peanuts.
Being on the street and not claiming benefits, I won't get a penny.

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Additionally, evan if by some miracle all the bureaucratic started to co-operate and I suddenly got my state-pension, it would still be too late for me to get any help from Sunak's largess.
 
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The depressing thing about foodbanks is that may folk who use them are in work, or have a family member who is working. The sad fact is that low paid jobs are not able to cope with the increase in food prices and the increase in energy costs. Some nurses have had to use them.

Don't forget that not anyone can just walk into a fooodbank to get supplies. You need a voucher which involves checking your family income.

And foodbanks appeared before the recent energy price increases, or the increase in food prices. This was a direct result of ten years of austerity and wage freezes, plus the separating benefits from the RPI, so they haven't increased for years.

Sunak's plan for all this money - £400 for everyone, even himself - is peanuts. I'll get that, plus the added bonus for being disabled. So will my wife. Even if I get the whole panoply of bonuses on the £400 it will amount to less than a week's income from my pension. How is that a sensible use of money? I don't need it, it will all go to charity.

That's the other issue.
Not all pensions are equal.
The divide seems to be created for life.
 
That's the other issue.
Not all pensions are equal.
The divide seems to be created for life.
You make that statement as though there's something wrong with that divide. I worked hard for that divide. Unlike some of my schoolfriends who went straight into work, or spent three years at University and then went into well paid jobs, I spent five years at University, then 5 years learning how to become a doctor in a variety of junior posts in various specialties, working countless hours of overtime living, when on call, in chilly hospital accommodation (which no longer exists). Only then could I start a career of being a GP, and latterly as in the Civil Service as Medical Advisor in the War Pensions Agency because I fancied a 9 to 5 job. At lower money, but then Civil Service then had a non contributory pension , a final salary pension into which I transferred my NHS pension which I had paid for.

So yes, the divide is created for life, but it is all through my own efforts. I'm not a retired banker, or a businessman who has used workers to create his money. And there a lots of folk who have such pensions.

In fact, though I'm 69 I've never bothered with applying for the state pension. It wouldn't be a full state pension because of the time when I was younger at not contributing, and I don't need the money, and more than I need the chancellor's "largesse".
 
I'm 69 I've never bothered with applying for the state pension.
It's surprising the number of people I meet who, for a variety of reasons, feel that the hassle of claiming a state pension is not worth the effort. (Emphasising that there is a variety of reasons, but complications with tax is often mentioned)

You make that statement as though there's something wrong with that divide. I worked hard for that divide.
We all make choices. When I chose my life style, I did so in the full knowledge of what it would mean for my pension. So, it would be extremely hypocritical of me to complain about the amount I am entitled to. In fact, looking at my entitlements, I am pleasantly surprised at how generous it will be when I finally get it. However, this doesn't stop me from raging at the bureaucratic hurdles I am being forced to navigate in order to make the clam.

The truth is, someone our age, without any qualifications, could have joined the military or police at 17 or 18, and been out by the time they were 39 or 40, with a full pension + a lump sum paid in two instalments over two years. The lump sums [and the final pension] were extremely generous. Actuarially, they were designed to be just enough to drink your self to death. (One of my class mates from uni went on to become a government actuary.) However, the fact that many ex military and police drink themselves to death before reaching full retirement age is another personal choice.

Edited to change: "... state pension is worth the effort ...." to ".... state pension is not worth the effort ...."
 
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You make that statement as though there's something wrong with that divide. I worked hard for that divide. Unlike some of my schoolfriends who went straight into work, or spent three years at University and then went into well paid jobs, I spent five years at University, then 5 years learning how to become a doctor in a variety of junior posts in various specialties, working countless hours of overtime living, when on call, in chilly hospital accommodation (which no longer exists). Only then could I start a career of being a GP, and latterly as in the Civil Service as Medical Advisor in the War Pensions Agency because I fancied a 9 to 5 job. At lower money, but then Civil Service then had a non contributory pension , a final salary pension into which I transferred my NHS pension which I had paid for.

So yes, the divide is created for life, but it is all through my own efforts. I'm not a retired banker, or a businessman who has used workers to create his money. And there a lots of folk who have such pensions.

In fact, though I'm 69 I've never bothered with applying for the state pension. It wouldn't be a full state pension because of the time when I was younger at not contributing, and I don't need the money, and more than I need the chancellor's "largesse".
Ah, a retired civil servant who has created his own non contributory pension, using the taxpaying workers to fund it?
Which is probably on better terms then a retired banker, or a businessman who has used workers to create his money.
So good in fact it was worth moving an NHS final salary schemes into it?
It's a shame nurses and other government employees don't get such a generous scheme or opportunity.
 
@traveller, I think you are being a bit unfair. Over the course of my lifetime employment related pensions have changed drastically. Like many of my friends and acquaintances from uni, @mikeyB benefited from a time when employer pensions were extremely generous: At the time, they were seen as a way of cutting down the upfront wage bill.

Being able to benefit from this 'cost saving measure' was not something that was limited to the well educated, as I pointed out the police and military offered extremely generous pensions to those of modest academic attainment as did many major private employers.

In fact, for the last two decades, both government and private companies have been desperately trying to wriggle out of the pension liabilities they incurred during the seventies and eighties as prudent 'cost saving measures'. You can't have it both ways: You either pay someone up front the going commercial rate for their services, or you do as the government chose and offer fringe benefits like a generous pension. When the final bill comes due, as it now has, complaining that the pension is 'too generous' is beyond hypocrisy..
 
@traveller, I think you are being a bit unfair. Over the course of my lifetime employment related pensions have changed drastically. Like many of my friends and acquaintances from uni, @mikeyB benefited from a time when employer pensions were extremely generous: At the time, they were seen as a way of cutting down the upfront wage bill.

Being able to benefit from this 'cost saving measure' was not something that was limited to the well educated, as I pointed out the police and military offered extremely generous pensions to those of modest academic attainment as did many major private employers.

In fact, for the last two decades, both government and private companies have been desperately trying to wriggle out of the pension liabilities they incurred during the seventies and eighties as prudent 'cost saving measures'. You can't have it both ways: You either pay someone up front the going commercial rate for their services, or you do as the government chose and offer fringe benefits like a generous pension. When the final bill comes due, as it now has, complaining that the pension is 'too generous' is beyond hypocrisy..

All I said was all pensions aren't equal.


I didn't say "I'm not a retired banker, or a businessman who has used workers to create his money. "

Yes they did create their own pot.

But a civil service pension is simply taking tax off the public, now, and passing it straight over.


Just saying..
 
Especially in the upper ranks, civil servants can get three, four or even five times or more the salary they do in government service. How would you feel about paying the Cabinet Secretary £5,000,000+ a year?

Compared to private sector salaries, it would be cheap at half the price.
 
Especially in the upper ranks, civil servants can get three, four or even five times or more the salary they do in government service. How would you feel about paying the Cabinet Secretary £5,000,000+ a year?

Compared to private sector salaries, it would be cheap at half the price.

Very true.
But, we are talking about half a million civil servants employed in the UK.
(Highest paid is allegedly £625,000 by the way)
As opposed to probably a bit fewer in private sectors.
And these private sector headline figures include pension contributions, stock options, performance bonuses, not a protected flat salary.
 
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