NHS Low Calorie Diet - Type 2 Remission Programme - Oviva (aka Newcastle)

There is so much information out there which can be conflicting and confusing at times, but bare bones for my DT2 remission is lose 15Kg or 15% weight if under 80Kg - fast - 12 weeks of shakes, learn all about food all over again, then start eating generally healthily - T Plate method, Mediterranean, the occasional fast food, etc. - I don't intend to watch carbs now - the main thing now is to maintain my weight to between 62.5Kg - 65Kg - forever...

You have to be commited and believe to achieve this, but as you come out the other side, you won't want to go back!
 
Kreator said:
There is so much information out there which can be conflicting and confusing at times, but bare bones for my DT2 remission is lose 15Kg or 15% weight if under 80Kg - fast - 12 weeks of shakes, learn all about food all over again, then start eating generally healthily - T Plate method, Mediterranean, the occasional fast food, etc. - I don't intend to watch carbs now - the main thing now is to maintain my weight to between 62.5Kg - 65Kg - forever...

You have to be commited and believe to achieve this, but as you come out the other side, you won't want to go back!
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Congratulations.
It's a good feeling.
Best thing is, you know that if you do overeat, and the weight starts to creep up, you just need to reign it in a little, and you're back on track again!
 
Kreator said:
So, week 1 on the start of real food...

So many tastes, so many new things to er...digest lol!

So another weight loss - only 0.3Kg this week, but I'll definately take that as I was really full after eating a 400 Calorie meal every night! - Some nights it was more like a 600-700 Cal meal, so 1200 max Cals per day..

Fasting Blood Sugar levels again low 4's - even a 3.8! - not worried about this though as it shows things are coming back to normal - no meds remember....

Although I didn't lose much weight - ...and this isn't now the aim... - I felt much better in myself - not gaunt looking and rosier cheeks - I also felt like I could run a marathon - I didn't! - but I did 10,000 steps each both Saturday & Sunday (Some of it rigorous) and couldn't be happier to be honest!

One thing I did find though was - and not sure why I didn't realise before! - is that my blood glucose levels dropped to normal low 4 levels after dinner with rigorous exercise - lol makes sense - that's what you burn off...Glucose!...

Really good to be eating again, and not gain weight (for now!) - this week - only one shake per day - 300Cal Breakfast & an evening meal - lets see what this week brings...

Expecting my weight to stabilise - little incriments of weight gain / weight loss, but lets see....

I'll update again next week 😉
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Sounding good, your blood sugars are brilliant
 
Kreator said:
Week 14 - And another week done - 1.1Kg lost this week! - I feel like a kid again, so much energy to burn off, walking more and more each day, cycling - it's ridiculous!

Weight loss as at week 14 - 63.2Kg

Starting Weight - 77.5Kg
Week 14 Weight - 53.2Kg
Total Weight Loss = 14.3Kg

I feel so much more full of energy now - I'm now on full food intake - roughly 1200 - 1500 Cals a day for now

All done! - Now just to maintain it which at the moment feels totally within my own mind, body & tummy!
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This is great to read, keep on keeping on 😎
 
travellor said:
Congratulations.
It's a good feeling.
Best thing is, you know that if you do overeat, and the weight starts to creep up, you just need to reign it in a little, and you're back on track again!
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That's exactly it!

At the moment though - midweek cheeky look on the scales looks like I may be in for some more weight loss, but not going to count this one as it's not a full week - but one thing - weight fluctuates all the time, so it's important not to be disheartened when it goes slightly the other way - I'm now on the edge of maintaining my weight within 2-3Kg's or so which feels totally achievable at the moment - I'm not looking to totally waste away!

I'll keep you all updated 😉
 
Kreator said:
Hi All,

Hope everyone is safe & well!

Copied from my post from the newbie section, and thought it would be better to re-post into the weight loss section...

Just joined the forum after being diagnosed with type 2 in 2018...found this forum and have been hooked ever since! - some really interesting views and advise, and great to read so many people's positive comments...

This disease is so complicated! - The last 3 years have been a rollercoaster, and I'm sure there's more to come...

Initial Type 2 Diagnosis HbA1c 88 in 2018, immediately bought a blood glucose monitor to see what foods would set me off, 3 months later 52, then hovering between 45 (once) to 47-48 every blood test...Metformin max dose all the way through - 2000mg

So finally took the plunge further to get onto the NHS Low Calorie Diet Diabetes Remission Programme provided by Oviva...which I pushed my DN for...

First HbA1c since being on the shakes - 42 without Metformin...Fasting Blood Glucose mainly around 4.2 daily - some slighlty slower, some slightly higher, but good all round...

Initial start weight 77.5Kg - 5ft 4" - The NHS program is provided by Oviva - I was told target weight was 62.5Kg - what?!! - there'll be nothing left of me I said! - In hindsight - there's still plenty of me left...!

10 weeks in and managed to lose 11Kg (Weight now at 66.5Kg), 2 weeks to go on full TDR, and feeling ok about things generally - It's not easy though...!

Bought Roy Taylor's book 'Life Without Diabetes' - such an interesting read

Hardest part to come I think - food re-introduction and food maintenance...lets see...

One thing for sure though, this forum has helped me immensely, thank you!
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I live in London and would love to know how you got referred to this NHS diet programme by Oviva. Do to drink shakes on it instead of food? Nechama
 
nechama rotenberg said:
I live in London and would love to know how you got referred to this NHS diet programme by Oviva. Do to drink shakes on it instead of food? Nechama
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There's a rather long story to that one, but since being diagnosed I knew of being able to put T2D into remission form reading on here, so set about that with meds - I asked my DN late last year - erm so I'd like to come off my meds as I'm looking to put my T2D into remission and the response then was 'we don't like to take T2D's off the medication' - I asked, so how do I put it into remission then?! - she didn't give a response...

Looking back on it - the NHS were only looking to keep it in control all along!

...then March this year, I asked again, and she handed me a couple of pages about the pilot and referred me to it!

So I pushed for it in a way, but I do believe the whole NHS eco system surrouding T2D treatment is changing for the better, so my advise would be push, push, push!

Indeed, you have the shakes instead of food (Fibre supplement needed to avoid constipation) - no food allowed for max 12 weeks - or 15Kg / 15% weight loss or your own goal, and only 100ml of milk per day - and I drink a lot of white coffee, so had to have it black mostly which was fine for me - I don't take sugar anyway now since diagnosis...

Fluid intake of around 2.5 litres a day to keep you from being hydrated

All sounds pretty hardcore, but after a week or so, it's so easy you don't really need to think about it - I started off saying i'll do this for 8 weeks, but the rewards were so great that I carried through for the whole 12 weeks

Like I said, you need to be motivated to do it for sure, but the rewards are immense!

So push for it, as I'm sure NHS attitudes are changing slowly but surely...
 
grovesy said:
You could ask at your GP surgery but some of these programmes are not available to all areas.
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that's a good point there @grovesy indeed - and yes asking / pushing your GP surgery to see what else might be available also should help 😉
 
nechama rotenberg said:
I live in London and would love to know how you got referred to this NHS diet programme by Oviva. Do to drink shakes on it instead of food? Nechama
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Hi @nechama rotenberg I hope you are able to get support on the NHS. I'm in Wales and they don't run any T2D remission by weight loss programs here. As @Kreator says, it is shake (meal replacement) based. The reason for this is that shakes are considered easier than preparing meals that add to around 800 calories a day. There are diets you can follow that achieve this with real food, I forget which forum member recommended it, but there is a Mike Mosley one. The Newcastle diet sheet (Professor Roy Taylor) is available on this Link
I've also achieved remission with the meal replacement shakes. I reintroduced food after about 8 weeks, I'm now in week 13 and still losing weight.
You can get some good introductory offers. I used Optifast and Exante. the price is not dissimilar to what you would pay for food.

If you want to get started, I would read one of the Roy Taylor books
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Without-Diabetes-definitive-understanding/dp/1780724098
Your Simple Guide to Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
Watch the video here
and search the many great resources on this website

@Kreator is right, after the first few days, you don't feel hungry, and it's actually good fun watching the weight drop off, your blood sugars and blood pressure improve and having tons more energy
Give it a go 😎
 
@Weekender, you took the words right out of my mouth! - well said, and I probably couldn't have put that better myself 😉
 
Weekender said:
Hi @nechama rotenberg I hope you are able to get support on the NHS. I'm in Wales and they don't run any T2D remission by weight loss programs here. As @Kreator says, it is shake (meal replacement) based. The reason for this is that shakes are considered easier than preparing meals that add to around 800 calories a day. There are diets you can follow that achieve this with real food, I forget which forum member recommended it, but there is a Mike Mosley one. The Newcastle diet sheet (Professor Roy Taylor) is available on this Link
I've also achieved remission with the meal replacement shakes. I reintroduced food after about 8 weeks, I'm now in week 13 and still losing weight.
You can get some good introductory offers. I used Optifast and Exante. the price is not dissimilar to what you would pay for food.

If you want to get started, I would read one of the Roy Taylor books
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Without-Diabetes-definitive-understanding/dp/1780724098
Your Simple Guide to Reversing Type 2 Diabetes
Watch the video here
and search the many great resources on this website

@Kreator is right, after the first few days, you don't feel hungry, and it's actually good fun watching the weight drop off, your blood sugars and blood pressure improve and having tons more energy
Give it a go 😎
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One of the main reasons I did the shake route was because that is the only one that has been scientifically trialled.
Initially the shakes were chosen as it was noticed patients down for bariatric surgery were initially put on a shake diet, and it was noticed they were reversing their diabetes before surgery.
I used the Tesco shakes, which worked out very cost effective, on a three for two offer!

The other benefit I found from not eating was I reset my tastes, so I had the ability to reintroduce food to form a much healthier diet for the future.
I'm not sure that would have been achievable if I had simply reduced portions, mildly tweaked my diet, but kept eating the same sorts of food.
 
travellor said:
One of the main reasons I did the shake route was because that is the only one that has been scientifically trialled.
Initially the shakes were chosen as it was noticed patients down for bariatric surgery were initially put on a shake diet, and it was noticed they were reversing their diabetes before surgery.
I used the Tesco shakes, which worked out very cost effective, on a three for two offer!

The other benefit I found from not eating was I reset my tastes, so I had the ability to reintroduce food to form a much healthier diet for the future.
I'm not sure that would have been achievable if I had simply reduced portions, mildly tweaked my diet, but kept eating the same sorts of food.
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Yes @travellor you're right, I doubt 'cutting down' would have worked for me. After the 8 or so weeks on the shakes, I completely stopped seeing the point of bread. Before this we were home baking and eating a loaf or two a day (between 4 of us). I feel the some about rice and potatoes too.
It has a virtuous knock on effect: no bread = no toast and therefore no peanut butter, jam or marmalade. No "I'll just have a cheese sandwich or a slice of toast because I'm bored". Crackers, breakfast cereal are also history. Most of the dumb food choices have gone from the house. I'm still enjoying food. I had a nice mushroom, pepper, spinach, ham and cheese omelette this morning - no toast. I always felt toast was essential with an omelette, but not any more.
 
Yep, I was the same, 3 years of 'keeping T2D under control' was fine with some sense of cutting food intake, but more action was needed and for me the shakes have done the trick (so far!), and resetting your whole thinking about food is a major part of that - I love spicy things - always have - difference now is I'll have a couple of boiled eggs & salad for lunch with chilli flakes as an example - the thought even occurred to me that hang on - this is a vegetarian lunch - I swore blind I'd never go vegetarian, yet there I was sitting there with no meat in sight!

Whether it's NHS funded or not, it's definately the way forward for sure 😉
 
This was, of course, every day knowledge for Dr Atkins and his patients, that they were reversing their type 2 or lowering insulin needs and seeing weightloss like never before - but back in the last century no one seemed at all interested in such a fad diet....
 
Drummer said:
This was, of course, every day knowledge for Dr Atkins and his patients, that they were reversing their type 2 or lowering insulin needs and seeing weightloss like never before - but back in the last century no one seemed at all interested in such a fad diet....
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Not really.
Atkins was nothing like the Newcastle Diet.
No proof, no scientific trials, nothing. Just another fad diet as you say.
 
travellor said:
Not really.
Atkins was nothing like the Newcastle Diet.
No proof, no scientific trials, nothing. Just another fad diet as you say.
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I meant that people doing the Atkins diet were seeing reversion of type 2 lowering insulin needs and losing weight, permanently and easily, but that was ignored by those who thought they knew better. Tens of thousands of people, so much useful date, just dismissed.
 
Drummer said:
I meant that people doing the Atkins diet were seeing reversion of type 2 lowering insulin needs and losing weight, permanently and easily, but that was ignored by those who thought they knew better. Tens of thousands of people, so much useful date, just dismissed.
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I've never seen that.
Do you have a link to the reports of the reversal of type 2?
Tens of thousands is even better than the Newcastle Diet, there must be some scientific data available to show it to be true, rather than hearsay?
 
travellor said:
I've never seen that.
Do you have a link to the reports of the reversal of type 2?
Tens of thousands is even better than the Newcastle Diet, there must be some scientific data available to show it to be true, rather than hearsay?
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Try reading Dr Atkins New Diet Revolution - the information is all there from decades ago.
 
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(This gets one thing wrong: Atkins' Diet Revolution 1st edition was 1972, not 1982.)

He and his successor low-carb spruikers have been read & followed more than the standard dietary guidelines (which approximately nobody follows), with the popularity of low-carb in the general consciousness tracking closely with the rise in obesity & metabloc disease. Low-carb is popular mainstream now and has been for years.

Obviously, association isn't causation, but the case for low-carb causing the obesity epidemic is at least as strong as the case for standard dietary guidelines doing it.
 
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