Newcastle Diet -

[Deleted member 33972]

I’ve been reading the contents off slim fast and the amount of carbs in them are huge. some as many as 63 grams of carbs and sugars added also.

 

[Drummer]

Glad you are getting the benefits of a low calorie diet as well then.
Just like Prof Taylor recommends, watch the calories, lose weight, it's all good.
This is definitely the thread you should be supporting, it's named the Newcastle diet, now matter how you do it.

I can assure you that I am not watching the calories, and I am not doing the Newcastle diet.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

I’ve been reading the contents off slim fast and the amount of carbs in them are huge. some as many as 63 grams of carbs and sugars added also.

This was addressed by someone on a low carb diet in a different thread, and he explains why that amount of carbs is fine, and is in fact strict low carb in it's own right.
Most people notice their BG drops very quickly when starting the Newcastle diet.
He also agrees calories of around 1500 to 2000 post diet are about right, which is also probably what I eat on average now, possibly more towards the 2000 end, as I am fairly active.

I can't comment of whether diabetes is cured, reversed, or put into remission, I just know I don't follow any strict diet now with regards to any carb limit though, even the 130g, I do prefer a Mediterranean diet, but I don't worry about eating out, or takeaways, all I do it eat to keep my weight fairly constant, although even that will drift up and down.

I would just like to point out that although @travellor promotes 'moderation', they actually used the 'Newcastle Diet' to get to the place they're in currently.
The Newcastle Diet is much more extreme than 'Low Carb' can be (of course 'Low Carb' can also be as extreme as desired).
Newcastle is an 800 Calories per day for 8 week regime. The meal replacement shakes consist of 600 calories , 46.4 % of which are carbohydrates , 32.5% of protein and 20.1% of fat.

This equals approx 75 gms of carbohydrates - which is well into the 'Low Carb' and not so far from the 'Ketogenic levels'.
Yet they say that 1,500 to 2,000 calories including up to 130 gms of carbohydrates is exceedingly strict!

Perhaps some do better with meal replacement shakes, but to claim that Low Carb is excessive, unsustainable etc. when compared to Newcastle is just crazy!

Oh, and Newcastle doesn't claim to cure diabetes - just to put it into remission like Low Carb does. The success rates for the two methods are comparable with Low Carb having the edge by upt to 10% more remissions at the 2yr point.

 

[Deleted member 33972]

This was addressed by someone on a low carb diet in a different thread, and he explains why that amount of carbs is fine, and is in fact strict low carb in it's own right.
Most people notice their BG drops very quickly when starting the Newcastle diet.
He also agrees calories of around 1500 to 2000 post diet are about right, which is also probably what I eat on average now, possibly more towards the 2000 end, as I am fairly active.

I can't comment of whether diabetes is cured, reversed, or put into remission, I just know I don't follow any strict diet now with regards to any carb limit though, even the 130g, I do prefer a Mediterranean diet, but I don't worry about eating out, or takeaways, all I do it eat to keep my weight fairly constant, although even that will drift up and down.

I’m registered for a sleep apnoea class and I think they will recommend shakes or bariatric surgery. Not for diabetes as they send you to Weightwatchers. I’m doing SlimmingWorld and it’s bringing my weight down and my BG it was higher this morning. I had Batchelors pasts last night and could have been that. Recommended as an almost free food on SW but May be not for me. I do like them. I’m hoping to get my weight down before the classes start and not have to do extreme ways of losing the weight. I was at a funeral yesterday and really off plan last 2 weeks with one thing and another. I’m hoping BG settles down again. I’ve chatted with Iain before. I don’t count calories just eat recommended food. They have an SP plan and it’s similar to Keto. Speed and protein. Vegetables and meat to bring weight down faster

 

[Kreator]

I’ve just realised! is there an Oviva and a weight loss group? I wondered where everyone had gone and why missed all these posts.

Hi, there's lots of threads as a whole in the weight loss section - all are about weight loss, but each has a slightly different tweak to how to achieve that weight loss - some of us have had success with Low Calorie, some Low Carb, and some a mixture of things...the main thing is what works for you!

 

[Kreator]

You're doing a good job. I'm starting to realise I've got to keep disciplined. I considered doing a week on the VLCD shakes, but like you, I don't fancy the rabbit pellets.
Winter, more time in front of the TV will be a challenge. I've got to get on top of my TV snacking habbit

So for me, I have Roy Taylor's book in a prominent position that I see every day...

It's to remind me of where I was, what I've been through, and that I really don't want to be there again - my last 30 years has been a 'ah fek it moment' far too many times - of course it's fine to have one every now and again - that's normal! but the main thing for me is to not get off this train - I too have thought about 'how am I going to exercise when it's raining?' - I have a treadmill for gods sake! - dusty as it is, I'll get on it when it rains too!

Main thing is life happens, it's normal 😉

 

[Deleted member 33972]

Going to watch some Nordic Noir! Usually brings me back to sanity lol booked a new movie for Friday evening The Last Duel. Starring Jodie Comer! (Killing Eve ) looks good.

 

[Deleted member 33972]

So for me, I have Roy Taylor's book in a prominent position that I see every day...

It's to remind me of where I was, what I've been through, and that I really don't want to be there again - my last 30 years has been a 'ah fek it moment' far too many times - of course it's fine to have one every now and again - that's normal! but the main thing for me is to not get off this train - I too have thought about 'how am I going to exercise when it's raining?' - I have a treadmill for gods sake! - dusty as it is, I'll get on it when it rains too!

Main thing is life happens, it's normal 😉

I know 2 people who lost huge amounts of weight. One through the hospital another through slimming club and both put it back on again. It’s all too easy to slip back again. I was always weight conscious till 25 years ago and decided I wasn’t doing it anymore and ate what I wanted. It can take over or lives.

 

[Weekender]

There is always bubble and squeak made with swede rather than potato, beat in some eggs mix in veges, cook in a frying pan and then put it under the grill - if you aren't cooking bacon to eat with it, add cheese on top and don't get the grill too hot.
Or there is cauliflower, almost cooked, into a warm dish, cover with cream cheese sprinkle on herb or spice, cover with grated hard cheese and then bake until lightly brown and melting.
Lots of other options are available on a low carb diet, all delicious and all going to lower BG and weight, with any luck.
You do need to watch out for high carb foods or drinks - it isn't some sort of magic.
Eating consistently low carb can be quite astonishingly effective, but some of the things I read make me concerned. The information is often right there on the full information panel - it must come as a nasty shock for some to realise just how carb heavy some 'healthy' foods are.

I do like bubble and squeak, in Wales they have 'Potch' · 1large swede (rutabaga) · 4 medium size carrots · 2 turnips · 2 large potatoes · 1 parsnip · watercress (to taste) · parsley (to taste) - You could skip the potatoes.

My staple is a black bean thing - we soak from dried , so whilst they have carbs it is resistant starch and are low GI.
I add onion, garlic, peppers, spinach, tomato (passata). I cook up a large batch and can have with ham and egg for brunch or whatever

 

[Weekender]

Right - it's Tuesday - results (and also Bin Night)
I hope everyone is doing okay and the shorter days aren't getting you down too much.

I saw the Diabetes Nurse and got the full results - I only really understand the HbA1c
I explained my concern that my fasting blood sugar finger tests were trending towards 6, She said between 5 and 7 was 'normal' which is at odds with it states on this site.


I did a 4 week weight chart and was pleasantly surprised that despite the ups and downs. the trend is flat at 80.7kg - I'm hoping this is the new normal. I shall keep a weather eye on it.
Still avoiding sugary stuff, bread, rice and potatoes - I don't feel I'm missing out.
The big spikes (up 1kg) are all beer related, but a few dry days sorts it out

 

[Weekender]

Happy Tuesday
Fasting Blood Sugars are still trending up. We're buying 1kg bags of hazelnuts, and I am troughing them in the evenings. Probably have to stop.
I started work (desk based at home) 2 weeks ago. Sedentary hours increased a lot, inevitably :-(

Hazelnuts per 100 g​
Energy	2,629 kJ (628 kcal)
Carbohydrates	16.70 g
Sugars	4.34 g
Dietary fiber	9.7 g
Fat	60.75 g
Protein	14.95 g

Weight is trending up slightly

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Happy Tuesday
Fasting Blood Sugars are still trending up. We're buying 1kg bags of hazelnuts, and I am troughing them in the evenings. Probably have to stop.
I started work (desk based at home) 2 weeks ago. Sedentary hours increased a lot, inevitably :-(


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Hazelnuts per 100 g​
Energy	2,629 kJ (628 kcal)
Carbohydrates	16.70 g
Sugars	4.34 g
Dietary fiber	9.7 g
Fat	60.75 g
Protein	14.95 g

Weight is trending up slightly
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There are a lot of calories, nuts are high fat.
6280 calories per bag.

 

[Kreator]

There are a lot of calories, nuts are high fat.
6280 calories per bag.

They are yep, however they also have good fats, so they are better than biscuits - I also have bags of nuts, but I only eat 20g at a time and only at select times (when I fancy a nibble!) this keeps the calories down to around 125 Calories at a time😉

 

[Deleted member 21371]

They are yep, however they also have good fats, so they are better than biscuits - I also have bags of nuts, but I only eat 20g at a time and only at select times (when I fancy a nibble!) this keeps the calories down to around 125 Calories at a time😉

Do you need good fats?
A digestive biscuit has around half at 71 calories, and that's one of the worst biscuits, until you start on the chocolate hob-nobs.
Both will increase your weight on a maintenance diet though.

 

[Kreator]

Both will increase your weight on a maintenance diet though.

Not if you eat mindfully...

I can also have a biscuit too, it's a choice - if I need the energy, I'll eat nuts, if I fancy a treat, I'll have a biscuit - I go bck to when I would have eaten jaffa cakes - more than likely a whole box! - one jaffa cake is 50 Cals which is fine - a whole box is where it starts to go wrong...

Fats from nuts can help a little in keeping your cholesterol in check too, whereas fats from biscuits won't...

 

[Eddy Edson]

Not if you eat mindfully...

I can also have a biscuit too, it's a choice - if I need the energy, I'll eat nuts, if I fancy a treat, I'll have a biscuit - I go bck to when I would have eaten jaffa cakes - more than likely a whole box! - one jaffa cake is 50 Cals which is fine - a whole box is where it starts to go wrong...

Fats from nuts can help a little in keeping your cholesterol in check too, whereas fats from biscuits won't...

Yep, unsaturated fats can reduce LDL.

But watch out for peanuts - they actually have a high proportion of saturated fats & can have the opposite effect. Obviously depending on how many you eat, in conjunction with what, etc etc etc.

 

[Weekender]

They are yep, however they also have good fats, so they are better than biscuits - I also have bags of nuts, but I only eat 20g at a time and only at select times (when I fancy a nibble!) this keeps the calories down to around 125 Calories at a time😉 I've swapped back to popcorn. I know @Drummer was concerned about the carbs, but it is very low density

I hit 'post' too early :-( Well, respect @Kreator , I don't think I could leave the nuts after a mere 20g - that's less than half a pub packet! . . . Popcorn - I've found it doesn't have an impact on my morning blood sugars, where as 100g of nuts does. I bought a hot air popcorn machine for my daughter Amazon Popcorn Machine and liked it so much I got myself one. I think it's a good investment (£19) as it keeps me away from worse options. Tog, our hamster gets the unpopped kernels and makes an entertaining fuss cracking them open

 

[Weekender]

Week 23 Results
Much more disciplined last week (fewer nuts and beer) and my blood sugars are improving. (I did have 6 cans of Stella last night, but I have the rest of this week to compensate)
A new TV snack is grated carrot with mixed seeds.

Unfortunately my new firm likes having meetings, and I'm having to spend most of the day on MS Teams :-(
My active minutes are suffering. I am still going to gym to do weights twice a week and an 8km jog on Sundays, but this isn't compensating for all the sedentary minutes. I guess this is the downside of working from home.

The gym has a Tanita Body Composition Analyser, and according to this, after one month I've swapped 2.6kg of fat for 2.9kg of muscle. This is implausible but still a nice motivator. I'm definitely going to try to stick with it - as long as I can resist the encroaching tide of meetings

	28-Sep​		28-Oct​		Change (Kg)
Weight​	81.2​		81.6​
Muscle Mass​	63.1​	78%​	66.0​	81%​	2.90​
Body fat mass (BFM)​	14.8​	18%​	12.2​	15%​	-2.60​
Bone mass​	3.3​	4%​	3.4​	4%​	0.10​
BMI​	23.7​		23.8​
Visceral Fat ​	9​		8​
Basal metabolic rate​	1903​		1982​

 

[mage 1]

Well done

 

[Weekender]

Well done

Thanks 🙂