New review of Bikman's "Why We Get Sick"

[bulkbiker]

That's nowhere close to being a good characterisation of the EBM. You could check tge Hall et al piece I linked if you wanted to see why.

" The worldwide obesity epidemic has been attributed in large part to shifting toward industrialized Western diets (88, 89), characterized by refined grains, processed oils, sugar-sweetened beverages, animal products, and low intakes of nonstarchy vegetables and whole grains"

Shifting towards "animal products is a product of the industrialised Western Diet"?

That, even you must agree, is pure nonsense.

Animal products (i.e. meat) has been part of the human diet for millennia.

 

[Eddy Edson]

" The worldwide obesity epidemic has been attributed in large part to shifting toward industrialized Western diets (88, 89), characterized by refined grains, processed oils, sugar-sweetened beverages, animal products, and low intakes of nonstarchy vegetables and whole grains"

Shifting towards "animal products is a product of the industrialised Western Diet"?

That, even you must agree, is pure nonsense.

Animal products (i.e. meat) has been part of the human diet for millennia.

Such a minor point, but anyway if you go to the cited references you will see discussions of the big increase in meat, egg and dairy production in LMI countries as they increasingly adopt a Westernized diet.

 

[bulkbiker]

Such a minor point, but anyway if you go to the cited references you will see discussions of the big increase in meat, egg and dairy production in LMI countries as they increasingly adopt a Westernized diet.

It's a nonsensical statement (as you know really ) but simply refuse to admit it.
Mankind only got to become mankind due to animal based food.. otherwise we'd still be sitting the the forest throwing poo at each other.

 

[bulkbiker]

It's a nonsensical statement (as you know really ) but simply refuse to admit it.
Mankind only got to become mankind due to animal based food.. otherwise we'd still be sitting the the forest throwing poo at each other.

But we can clearly see why you have to say it...

" Eating: Mainly plants with lots of nuts & seeds."

 

[Eddy Edson]

But we can clearly see why you have to say it...

" Eating: Mainly plants with lots of nuts & seeds."

Hilarious!

 

[bulkbiker]

"Dougie"?
Only one person ever shortened my username to that.

You're that bloke, can't remember who, that was thrown out of the red forum, came back as "Bigbird" got thrown out again when you had a fall out again?
Didn't you set up your own forum?

Wrong on all counts but thanks for confirming you are precisely who I thought you were...

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Wrong on all counts but thanks for confirming you are precisely who I thought you were...

Eddie, it's never been hidden.
Yes, indeed, it's been ten years since you were adamant that only saturated fats were healthy, and low calorie yoyo diets could never work.

However, here I am, still avoiding the unhealthy fats, still non diabetic, still with normal cholesterol levels.

And I see you joined this form four years ago, but never seemed to have posted until now?

Still, you do seem to be living proof that a high fat keto diet put on two and a half stone on you in lockdown, and have chesterol levels that would scare most people.

An interesting comparison wouldn't you say?

 

[bulkbiker]

Eddie, it's never been hidden.

Except I'm not who you think I am

it's been ten years since you were adamant that only saturated fats were healthy, and low calorie yoyo diets could never work.

I was only diagnosed in 2015 so....

the unhealthy fats, still non diabetic, still with normal cholesterol levels.

Still taking the statins too I guess?

high fat keto diet put on two and a half stone on you in lockdown

Assuming that my diet didn't slip a bit ...

have chesterol levels that would scare most people.

Very chesty levels indeed .. and they only "scare" those who are unaware..

An interesting comparison wouldn't you say

Well thanks for the warm welcome.. you and your cohorts have been nothing if not impolite..

I see you joined this form four years ago, but never seemed to have posted until now

Yep I was attracted to this forum by some interesting postings so I decided to stay and join in.

Still not Eddy and never have been.

Big hugs and complements of the season.
X

 

[mikeyB]

That, even you must agree, is pure nonsense.

Animal products (i.e. meat) has been part of the human diet for millennia.

I agree that animal products have been part of the human diet for millennia. In most of that millennia the average human could expect to live to 30 years. And that persisted for most folk till the 19th century, whether or not they were eating meat. Only the rich lived longer - Henry VIII died at the grand old age of 56.

 

[bulkbiker]

the average human could expect to live to 30 years.

I hope that you know that figure arose from high levels of infant mortality as well as the lack of treatment for almost all diseases and had zero to do with diet.
In societies where meat consumption was high there appears to have been little to no evidence of T2 and heart disease so....

 

[Robin]

I hope that you know that figure arose from high levels of infant mortality as well as the lack of treatment for almost all diseases and had zero to do with diet.
In societies where meat consumption was high there appears to have been little to no evidence of T2 and heart disease so....

…so, people died of something else before they had a chance to develop Type 2 or heart disease. So whether they ate large quantities of meat or not has no relevance to todays health problems.

 

[bulkbiker]

…so, people died of something else before they had a chance to develop Type 2 or heart disease. So whether they ate large quantities of meat or not has no relevance to todays health problems.

And todays health problems are nothing to do with whether they eat meat or not either.
It's down to eating other things like highly processed food, toxic seed oils and the general junk that makes up a large part of many people's diets.

 

[bulkbiker]

…so, people died of something else before they had a chance to develop Type 2 or heart disease. So whether they ate large quantities of meat or not has no relevance to todays health problems.

In fact once they had made it past their 30's they often lived well into old age (without heart disease or T2 diabetes).

 

[mikeyB]

I hope that you know that figure arose from high levels of infant mortality as well as the lack of treatment for almost all diseases and had zero to do with diet.
In societies where meat consumption was high there appears to have been little to no evidence of T2 and heart disease so....

That figure of 30 years applies to those who survived into adulthood, and has nothing to do with infant mortality.

…so, people died of something else before they had a chance to develop Type 2 or heart disease. So whether they ate large quantities of meat or not has no relevance to todays health problems.

Indeed. I agree with you, but I was simply using that to demolish the idea that eating meat has been going on for millennia, and done no harm.It's simply irrelevant to other conditions that used to knock people off.

 

[Robin]

And todays health problems are nothing to do with whether they eat meat or not either.
It's down to eating other things like highly processed food, toxic seed oils and the general junk that makes up a large part of many people's diets.

I don’t expect any of them were overwieight, either.

 

[mikeyB]

In fact once they had made it past their 30's they often lived well into old age (without heart disease or T2 diabetes).

Oh aye? That's a fact is it? So why is the average down to 30 then?

 

[bulkbiker]

Oh aye? That's a fact is it? So why is the average down to 30 then?

Err infant mortality..?

 

[bulkbiker]

I don’t expect any of them were overwieight, either.

Probably not.. hard to tell from the archaeological record though.

 

[nonethewiser]

Oh aye? That's a fact is it? So why is the average down to 30 then?

Don't think you'll have any luck changing his/her mindset.

 

[bulkbiker]

Don't think you'll have any luck changing his/her mindset.

Because as someone with a degree in archaeology I might know just a little more about it, maybe?