New - Please give me some hope

[Drummer]

Cutting back on fat - which you can digest and deal with just fine, but continuing to eat carbs, which you digest and then have high levels of blood glucose doesn't seen a logical way to deal with the problem.
If you want to have pizza or cheesecake there are low carb options - look for fat head pizza dough, which is also good for sausage rolls - and you need to find the low carb cheesecake because after a while not eating sugar, things which are 'normally' sweetened seen sickeningly sweet.

 

[MrsAA]

Iv

Cutting back on fat - which you can digest and deal with just fine, but continuing to eat carbs, which you digest and then have high levels of blood glucose doesn't seen a logical way to deal with the problem.
If you want to have pizza or cheesecake there are low carb options - look for fat head pizza dough, which is also good for sausage rolls - and you need to find the low carb cheesecake because after a while not eating sugar, things which are 'normally' sweetened seen sickeningly swe

I have looked up the fat head pizza dough recipe and the ingredients are in my shopping basket for delivery tomorrow...I am a little worried about the fat content though as I still need to lose a lot of weight but I’m sure for a treat occasionally it will be fine...

 

[NotWorriedAtAll]

Iv

I have looked up the fat head pizza dough recipe and the ingredients are in my shopping basket for delivery tomorrow...I am a little worried about the fat content though as I still need to lose a lot of weight but I’m sure for a treat occasionally it will be fine...

You should be eating high fat every day.
You will lose weight faster and easier by eating high fat - as long as you are also eating very low carb.
This means losing weight by eating keto recipe pizzas, cheese, double cream, keto recipe cheesecake, keto recipe cream cakes, fatty steaks, etc etc

Changing your eating habits to be healthier means eating more fat. If your body is using only fat as fuel the fat will be used up and will not cause you any health problems and it certainly will not make you gain weight.

I have been eating this way for two years now without cutting any calories - in fact I have eaten more calories than usual and I have lost weight. Not a lot because I haven't until now started exercising. Now I am exercising I am getting thinner noticeably quickly. I am eating a keto recipe cake with extra thick double cream at the moment. It has no effect on my blood sugars and I will not be gaining weight at all. My cholesterol levels are also absolutely fine and better than they were when I ate so-called 'healthy' low fat foods.

I too had PCOS - hormonal imbalances are often caused by a combination of factors one of which is not having enough 'good' fat in your diet to help your hormone system regulate itself.

Bad fats are fats that are created from processing food - so vegetable fats and polyunsaturated fats and rapeseed oil have been shown incontrovertibly to cause hormonal problems and weight gain as are processed grains.

Getting rid of carbs (except for naturally included ones in the veg and berries and few fruits we can cope well with) and swapping in fibre and getting rid of bad processed fats and swapping in unprocessed ones - coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter, lard, ghee and animal fats makes a massive difference and allows the body to do its work without being overloaded with stuff it can't handle.

 

[MrsAA]

You should be eating high fat every day.
You will lose weight faster and easier by eating high fat - as long as you are also eating very low carb.
This means losing weight by eating keto recipe pizzas, cheese, double cream, keto recipe cheesecake, keto recipe cream cakes, fatty steaks, etc etc

Changing your eating habits to be healthier means eating more fat. If your body is using only fat as fuel the fat will be used up and will not cause you any health problems and it certainly will not make you gain weight.

I have been eating this way for two years now without cutting any calories - in fact I have eaten more calories than usual and I have lost weight. Not a lot because I haven't until now started exercising. Now I am exercising I am getting thinner noticeably quickly. I am eating a keto recipe cake with extra thick double cream at the moment. It has no effect on my blood sugars and I will not be gaining weight at all. My cholesterol levels are also absolutely fine and better than they were when I ate so-called 'healthy' low fat foods.

I too had PCOS - hormonal imbalances are often caused by a combination of factors one of which is not having enough 'good' fat in your diet to help your hormone system regulate itself.

Bad fats are fats that are created from processing food - so vegetable fats and polyunsaturated fats and rapeseed oil have been shown incontrovertibly to cause hormonal problems and weight gain as are processed grains.

Getting rid of carbs (except for naturally included ones in the veg and berries and few fruits we can cope well with) and swapping in fibre and getting rid of bad processed fats and swapping in unprocessed ones - coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, butter, lard, ghee and animal fats makes a massive difference and allows the body to do its work without being overloaded with stuff it can't handle.

I couldn’t cope with doing keto..I need to have just a little bread (1 slice of Nimble) and 1 small potato to keep me sane..I have so much weight to lose I find it hard to believe I’ll be able to lose anything if I have too much fat in diet..I hate vegetables...I’m finding things very hard to think I’m going to have to spend the rest of my life eating like this

 

[Drummer]

I couldn’t cope with doing keto..I need to have just a little bread (1 slice of Nimble) and 1 small potato to keep me sane..I have so much weight to lose I find it hard to believe I’ll be able to lose anything if I have too much fat in diet..I hate vegetables...I’m finding things very hard to think I’m going to have to spend the rest of my life eating like this

If you eat low carb bread and swap the potato for a lower carb alternative - I put sliced swede under the meat when I roast it for instance, then you should be able to lose weight easily - we don't get fat from eating fat, it is carbohydrates which make for a build up of bodyfat.
I find that the small amount of carbs I can cope with can be got from some tasty foods but I do Atkins, not KETO, which seems far more boring. I started eating low carb back in the 1970s when I realised that what we ate at home was fairly lacking in carbohydrate and since getting my own place and a husband, and a diet sheet from the doctor, my weight was no longer stable.
My younger metabolism could get rid of half a stone in three days if I cut out the carbs.

 

[MrsAA]

If you eat low carb bread and swap the potato for a lower carb alternative - I put sliced swede under the meat when I roast it for instance, then you should be able to lose weight easily - we don't get fat from eating fat, it is carbohydrates which make for a build up of bodyfat.
I find that the small amount of carbs I can cope with can be got from some tasty foods but I do Atkins, not KETO, which seems far more boring. I started eating low carb back in the 1970s when I realised that what we ate at home was fairly lacking in carbohydrate and since getting my own place and a husband, and a diet sheet from the doctor, my weight was no longer stable.
My younger metabolism could get rid of half a stone in three days if I cut out the carbs.

I try not have both on the same day...I had no bread yesterday or today but I had one small potato (170g) which I cut into chips and had with some chilli chicken....no bread tomorrow either but, again, a small potato for dinner

 

[Drummer]

If the potato is boiled then it represents about 27gm of carb - that is equal to all of my second (evening) meal, including the dessert, so it is quite a significant amount for me - and far less tasty than the various vegetables I eat regularly and the desserts I make with jelly, custard or cream or yoghurt with berries.

 

[NotWorriedAtAll]

I couldn’t cope with doing keto..I need to have just a little bread (1 slice of Nimble) and 1 small potato to keep me sane..I have so much weight to lose I find it hard to believe I’ll be able to lose anything if I have too much fat in diet..I hate vegetables...I’m finding things very hard to think I’m going to have to spend the rest of my life eating like this

I just made bread today. You don't have to restrict yourself to a slice now and then - and in any case one slice of 'real' bread will do more harm to your weight loss than an entire loaf of the keto version.
My husband who is not diabetic cannot tell the difference between the keto bread I make and the good quality wholemeal bread we used to buy. Keto does not mean doing without bread, chips, pork pies, christmas pudding, stuffing and gravy with your roast dinners and what is more you can have versions that cannot be distinguished as 'keto' - I am not talking about cauliflower crust and fathead dough - I am talking about proper pastry and pizza dough made with yeast.
Here are just a few of my recipes.
Keto chocolate eclairs, keto stuffed crust pizza, keto coconut ganache chocolates, keto flaxseed bread shown with a butter and chia seed strawberry jam, keto corned beef and 'potato' pie (I used celeriac and cauliflower instead of potato and nobody could tell)

 

[NotWorriedAtAll]

The secret to these recipes is that I swap fibre instead of carb flours and sugars. Which means they are not anywhere near as calorific as the usual versions and are more filling and still have the flavour and texture of the original versions.

Don't worry you will work it out eventually. In the meantime don't get too despondent - I know I spent most of my first few months pinching myself because I couldn't believe I wasn't dreaming this stuff.

 

[MrsAA]

the problem I have is I don’t like vegetables, so I am finding it very difficult to get enough to eat if I remove that one small potato...honestly I can’t live my life depriving myself of absolutely everything I enjoy eating, I might just as well not be here if that is the case..I know people who eat lots of veg find this difficult to understand but there you go, that’s me

 

[Docb]

Don't lose heart @MrsAA, there will be a way that suits you somewhere.

How are things going generally? In your first post, you said that you needed and wanted to lose some weight. Any progress on that front with the changes you have made so far?

 

[MrsAA]

Don't lose heart @MrsAA, there will be a way that suits you somewhere.

How are things going generally? In your first post, you said that you needed and wanted to lose some weight. Any progress on that front with the changes you have made so far?

Yes I’ve lost almost a stone in 2 weeks (stared back calorie counting on 2nd January), hope to get another half a stone off before my second blood test on 1st February...)won’t even bother celebrating my birthday the day before as there’s nothing worth celebrating at the moment) had fish and chips and a slice of cake planned as a treat to keep me on track with the calorie counting but obviously that can’t happen now, so I can be miserable about being a year older and not having anything nice to eat..

Would be good if there was a reduction showing in my HbA1c but suspect it will be too early for that as only 4 weeks since the first one..

 

[Docb]

That's good and don't be too pessimistic about your next HbA1c.... there's a chance that you could be in for a pleasant surprise. As I say, you have got find the way that suits you and if swapping pots for veg is not going to work then focus on your weight target because it seems that you can do something about that.

PS for the fish and chips.... go to the best chippie in your area, get a lightly battered fish and a very small portion of chips. Have them wrapped separately and don't put them in a plastic bag. That way (good chippie, light batter, separate wrapping, allowed to breathe) there is a good chance you will get home with something other than a soggy pile of gunge. Have waiting, a warmed plate, a pepper mill, decent tartare sauce or some coleslaw, and enjoy. And it won't push your BG into unwanted territory.

 

[MrsAA]

That's good and don't be too pessimistic about your next HbA1c.... there's a chance that you could be in for a pleasant surprise. As I say, you have got find the way that suits you and if swapping pots for veg is not going to work then focus on your weight target because it seems that you can do something about that.

PS for the fish and chips.... go to the best chippie in your area, get a lightly battered fish and a very small portion of chips. Have them wrapped separately and don't put them in a plastic bag. That way (good chippie, light batter, separate wrapping, allowed to breathe) there is a good chance you will get home with something other than a soggy pile of gunge. Have waiting, a warmed plate, a pepper mill, decent tartare sauce or some coleslaw, and enjoy. And it won't push your BG into unwanted territory.

We live by the coast so tend to drive the short distance to the prom and eat them in the car, we take a knife and fork, and eat them so they are piping hot and not soggy...thank you for the last bit..makes me feel a bit better 🙂

 

[grovesy]

Yes I’ve lost almost a stone in 2 weeks (stared back calorie counting on 2nd January), hope to get another half a stone off before my second blood test on 1st February...)won’t even bother celebrating my birthday the day before as there’s nothing worth celebrating at the moment) had fish and chips and a slice of cake planned as a treat to keep me on track with the calorie counting but obviously that can’t happen now, so I can be miserable about being a year older and not having anything nice to eat..

Would be good if there was a reduction showing in my HbA1c but suspect it will be too early for that as only 4 weeks since the first one..

If it is stressing you out trying to do reduce carbs or low carb, why not continue with what is working for your weight loss. Then review after your blood test.
I know from personal experience that trying to be too restrictive, I could not maintain long term.

 

[NotWorriedAtAll]

the problem I have is I don’t like vegetables, so I am finding it very difficult to get enough to eat if I remove that one small potato...honestly I can’t live my life depriving myself of absolutely everything I enjoy eating, I might just as well not be here if that is the case..I know people who eat lots of veg find this difficult to understand but there you go, that’s me

I eat hardly any veg at all. I go days without any. If you make pies with almond and coconut flour crust and make bread with linseed/flaxseed and other fibres you get fibres obviously and most of the micronutrients and vitamins and minerals required and if you have some berries once in a while and a slice of lemon in your tea you get your vitamin C. If you eat double cream and high fat cheeses and eggs you get your calcium. The occasional tomato and I have a recipe for chips that taste and feel almost exactly like potato ones. I must admit I had chips at the chippy once in a while during the first six months after my diagnosis. But eventually as I expanded my repertoire and found yummy alternatives I just stopped enjoying them. Now and then I sneak one from my husband and then halfway through it I don't even want to finish the one these days.

 

[MrsAA]

If it is stressing you out trying to do reduce carbs or low carb, why not continue with what is working for your weight loss. Then review after your blood test.
I know from personal experience that trying to be too restrictive, I could not maintain long term.

That’s what I’m doing but trying to reduce carb intake as well..I just see so many posts saying you should not eat this and you should not eat that and you”lol never be able to have an ice cream or piece of cake again that fills me with sadness...as although I can cope eating this way at home if we go away I’d like to think I can still have a piece of cake or some fries with my burger (happy to forgo the roll, I usually do anyway), or a slice of pizza....

 

[Docb]

That’s what I’m doing but trying to reduce carb intake as well..I just see so many posts saying you should not eat this and you should not eat that and you”lol never be able to have an ice cream or piece of cake again that fills me with sadness...as although I can cope eating this way at home if we go away I’d like to think I can still have a piece of cake or some fries with my burger (happy to forgo the roll, I usually do anyway), or a slice of pizza....

Don't over interpret some of these posts @MrsAA. What most are suggesting is the things that have worked for them and maybe worth you thinking about. Sometimes the ideas are good for you, sometimes they are not. OK some seem a bit more prescriptive than others, but that is what you get in a broad community like ours. Most of us have found a way through it all, taking a bit from here, a bit from there to finish up with what suits us.

Me? I have used the collective experience of the forum to arrive at a combination of reduced carb intake by making a few simple dietry changes, losing a bit of weight, making sure I get some regular exercise and minimal medication. HbA1c down from 88 to under 40 in six months and is stable at that. My combination has worked for me, you have just got to find yours.

Fish and chips straight from the shop and eaten on the sea front. Mmmmmm, I envy you. Just remember, lightly battered fish and a small portion of chips and put the pot of tartare sauce in your bag. Swap quantity for quality!

 

[NotWorriedAtAll]

Just some more ideas so you can see some options for you to choose from when you decide to explore.

Everything in these pictures is keto. And by that I mean the entire decent sized portion. You don't need to have a teeny bit and feel guilty you can eat it all and know you are staying within dietary guidelines. If you want to restrict calories then as long as you can up your activity level a bit that will have the same effect and when you eat a keto diet your metabolism uses up calories faster and reduces your fat levels without you getting the cravings and feelings of going without you would on a carb laden calorie restricted diet.
You can see moussaka (but that can be made with keto pasta and turned into lasagne easily if you don't like aubergine) various breads, rhubarb teacake, quiche, strawberry ice-cream, home made butter, keto chips with steak and tzatziki, keto ravioli with keto pasta, some other pizzas I made with a yeast based baked crust and another loaf. I bake bread regularly. You can certainly eat burgers with or without the buns.
But you asked for hope and I shall get lost now and stop bombarding you. Fingers crossed you now can see that things will be fine and you can eat enjoyably all the things you love and tackle your diabetes and PCOS at the same time and they don't need to be in conflict at all. Ice cream can help you if you use the lowest carb ingredients to make it.

 

[rebrascora]

Don't you just want to climb into your computer screen and devour the lot... I know I do! @Not WorriedAtAll you really are a genius!