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Nayshiftin said:
like milk is bad and cheese is nade from milk now milk is oksy and cheese is okay but i guess the cornflour is what makes cauliflour cheese bad.
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You don't need cornflour to make cauliflower cheese, just grated cheese with yogurt or Philadelphia works fine.
Use your monitor and find which foods you can tolerate otherwise you will restrict yourself unnecessarily.
Using chick peas in something like a squash, cauliflower curry or veg casserole will not be that many carbs in your portion.
 
i had them anyway but it will not change monitor because i get sugar dump in the afternoon and at least once sometimes twice in the night. So bad food good foods as ive said before do not help me.
 
Nayshiftin said:
like milk is bad and cheese is nade from milk now milk is oksy and cheese is okay but i guess the cornflour is what makes cauliflour cheese bad.
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Milk has sugars, but if used in small amounts it is OK - cheese is fine, full fat greek yoghurt - cauliflower cheese doesn't need added carbs - my recipe is cauliflower, cream cheese, grated hard cheese and whatever herbs and spices you like.
 
Nayshiftin said:
i had them anyway but it will not change monitor because i get sugar dump in the afternoon and at least once sometimes twice in the night. So bad food good foods as ive said before do not help me.
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I'm not sure what you mean by this, how do you know, are you testing in the night?
Testing you do need to be for a purpose otherwise you are wasting your time and strips.
At the moment you seem to be in a very negative frame of mind and are finding reasons not to try things which people have suggested rather than thinking 'I'll give that a try' and test before you have that meal and 2 hours afterwards to see what the increase is, if less than 3mmol/l then that would be a good option.
If it genuinely is making no difference whether you eat few carbs or lots of carbs then that is another pointer for needing medication.
By keeping some good records of what you are eating and some paired before and 2 hours after eating readings will give your doctor/nurse whoever you are seeing at your appointment some information with which to help you with a plan for moving forward to get your dangerously high blood glucose levels down.
 
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Leadinglights said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this, how do you know, are you testing in the night?
Testing you do need to be for a purpose otherwise you are wasting your time and strips.
At the moment you seem to be in a very negative frame of mind and are finding reasons not to try things which people have suggested rather than thinking 'I'll give that a try' and test before you have that meal and 2 hours afterwards to see what the increase is, if less than 3mmol/l then that would be a good option.
If it genuinely is making no difference whether you eat few carbs or lots of carbs then that is another pointer for needing medication.
By keeping some good records of what you are eating and some paired before and 2 hours after eating readings will give your doctor/nurse whoever you are seeing at your appointment some information with which to help you with a plan for moving forward to get your dangerously high blood glucose levels down.
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once you have done it for months without your success. Okay i hear you. Either you do not believe me or don”t understand me. I buy the strips myself and yes they are expensive but its has taught me. Food does not change it even the same mug measured will go up one time the next down . Here people told me before it is because your liver dumps sugar or your insulin kicks in and also stress and exercise change it.
Yes i will try stricter diet but many day this . My Diabetic Nurse says that. The website i copird and pasted from here this websites meals and you argued with that. Meanwhile i havd to try and fit it to me.
Ive now got a mega high HbA1c so i need to do something and despite what you say i will try out things you have all suggested.
 
Drummer said:
Milk has sugars, but if used in small amounts it is OK - cheese is fine, full fat greek yoghurt - cauliflower cheese doesn't need added carbs - my recipe is cauliflower, cream cheese, grated hard cheese and whatever herbs and spices you like.
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So this will be a new meal to try.
 
Nayshiftin said:
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once you have done it for months without your success. Okay i hear you. Either you do not believe me or don”t understand me. I buy the strips myself and yes they are expensive but its has taught me. Food does not change it even the same mug measured will go up one time the next down . Here people told me before it is because your liver dumps sugar or your insulin kicks in and also stress and exercise change it.
Yes i will try stricter diet but many day this . My Diabetic Nurse says that. The website i copird and pasted from here this websites meals and you argued with that. Meanwhile i havd to try and fit it to me.
Ive now got a mega high HbA1c so i need to do something and despite what you say i will try out things you have all suggested.
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I do believe you and think you are trying to make some sense of what is going on and can appreciate how disheartening it is when you find nothing makes a difference but in that respect that can be instrumental in finding out what may be going on. As we used to say when doing lab experiments negative results can be just as important as positive ones and can help solving a problem. That is why I say that keeping some record of your results and carb intake for your diabetic nurse to see may help.
Somebody new posted earlier that they have been on every medication under the sun and nothing works so no it is not easy, it is complicated and inconsistent. Your body is a biological system with lots of interactions which can fight against each other.
 
Thank you.
 
I have tested and wrote it down and even if i starve a meal or two it increases. i eat and it comes down sometimes bug sometimes up too.
The Nurse telephoned me and said to go on Metformin. Yes she sees thousands of us so I say no I've had it before and knowingly ill not have that again. Oh you will as your bloods are too high you'll need to take something. I said I have tried the gliptines and the ides so i said i have tried most. You have not tried most. Well I have tried a lot and not had insulin . She said you have not had insulin. I agreed and said she had not mentioned it before. No no she said that's a very last resort. What tablets can we give you ? i said none really.
I mentioned my high Hb and other Red blood and haemocrat. Oh i dont buy that theory she said your HbA1c is all i see its too high . So she tried to get me to take Metformin I refused. You have your appt next week, we can re talk about this then. No we will not. I have nos cancellee that appointment as no point going to argue.
I tried to get a drug i had not tried before from the online chemist but I did not lie about my high HbA1c test so unfortunately they refused. They say if its over 7% no.
So yes im between a rock and a hard place at the minute.
I really get cross when no one believes me or even will try to listen.
i am also vexed you cannot get help at the online chemist too.
 
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Nayshiftin said:
The Nurse telephoned me and said to go on Metformin. Yes she sees thousands of us so I say no I've had it before and knowingly ill not have that again. Oh you will as your bloods are too high you'll need to take something. I said I have tried the gliptines and the ides so i said i have tried most. You have not tried most.
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She’s right there’s loads more t2 drugs than those to try before insulin
 
Can you name any for me ? Been looking into them . Some you cannot have with the osteoarthritis conditions . Frequent UtI and low blood pressure issues. I will never unless they force metformin into me have that again. even sr is not for me. Then the gliptins are not nice either nor is glicazide . So Im feeling okay except for a few issues that can be in other conditions i have but i can cope except for knowing high BS is a silent killer until too late and then they cannot reverse those things . i have not tried the Fox… bit I really need something. Are any of the herbal remedies worth a go.
lets face it nothing cures diabetes so if not type one you just have to lose weight but folks say that doesn’t always help.
This vexes me so much.
its like folks would rather you felt bad had no quality of life to suffer even longer. Why would anyone take meds that make life unbearable when it made no difference anyway.
Most of my symptoms are type 1 not tupe 2 so that in itself is confusing. So sweating fast pulse and hungry and tired all the time… versus projectile vomit . stomach ache headache dehydration and not able to go out is better?
If I did not know its stess.. id …..
 
I have just researched snd fpund out Bromocriptine helps Diabetes . I had this drug before for a high prolactin and it suited me then. Has anyone else tried this ? or is there info it works to lower HB A1 ?
 
Nayshiftin said:
I have just researched snd fpund out Bromocriptine helps Diabetes . I had this drug before for a high prolactin and it suited me then. Has anyone else tried this ? or is there info it works to lower HB A1 ?
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You may struggle to persuade your GP to prescribe it and reading the potential side effects they sound just as bad as the other medications you have rejected.
I wonder if the side effects from the metformin were because you didn't also reduce your carbs.
 
Leadinglights said:
You may struggle to persuade your GP to prescribe it and reading the potential side effects they sound just as bad as the other medications you have rejected.
I wonder if the side effects from the metformin were because you didn't also reduce your carbs.
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No i reduced the carbs when on Metformin i hardly ate on it . I cant eat when I have projectile vomit . Can anyone ? No I’ll not ask for Bromocriptene now i see it causes binge eating. No one will ever knowingly get me to take Metformin. Its evil if they prescribe it will sit in the pharmacy or go in the bucket. So no use to me. i am researching what i could try and had never ever associated this with Diabetes. Thirty years ago on the Bromocriptine who knows hiwd i would react now. i guess thats why now.
 
Can I make an observation @Nayshiftin? I have just looked up Bromocriptine on the NICE website. There is no mention of it there as a treatment for diabetes, just use as a short term method of controlling lactation and possible long term use in those with Parkinsons disease. More important are the lists of possible side effects and contraindications. I'm no expert but I'm guessing that it is a drug only prescribed by specialists in highly specific cases, diabetes not being one of them.

As such I think @Leadinglights is quite correct in suggesting your GP would not take the risk of prescribing it for you.
 
Docb said:
Can I make an observation @Nayshiftin? I have just looked up Bromocriptine on the NICE website. There is no mention of it there as a treatment for diabetes, just use as a short term method of controlling lactation and possible long term use in those with Parkinsons disease. More important are the lists of possible side effects and contraindications. I'm no expert but I'm guessing that it is a drug only prescribed by specialists in highly specific cases, diabetes not being one of them.

As such I think @Leadinglights is quite correct in suggesting your GP would not take the risk of prescribing it for you.
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Bromocriptine (Cycloset, Parlodel) is a dopamine-2 agonist.

It’s unknown ho this drug treats type 2 diabetes. It may affect rhythms in your body and prevent insulin resistance. According to one 2015 reviewTrusted Source, dopamine-2 agonists may also improve other related health concerns, such as high cholesterol or weight management.
This is from https://www.healthline.com/health/diabetes/medications-list#type-2-diabetes
Like you I had NEVER hesrd it used as such. i phoned the helpline and researched in the forum where i got the previous link.
I want something i know i can take. i was young and had a problem with Galsctorrhea then . i dong think i was on them long term maybe two months . As young i did not notice side effects. However I now don’t think it will be for the best.
 
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