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High Cholesterol
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Yet by ignoring the advice given out by my medics concerning my T2 diabetes I put it in remission. The "chronic progressive disease" that they warned would require insulin seems to have been tamed.
Thankfully the poorly photocopied "Eatwell Guide" went in the bin along with the toilet tying metformin.
A host of other health conditions went away too.
I'm very pleased I ignored their advice for that so why should I believe them when they mention statins (the most profitable drug even invented) and when surgeries get financially rewarded for having more people take them whether necessary or not.
nonethewiser
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You've only done what countless other type 2s have done on this forum & got condition under control, same goes for lot of us type 1s.
Ignoring expert advice on cvd is different matter, statins no matter what you think of them do what they say they do & that is lower cholesterol levels to safe limits, they are safe well researched & tolerated by vast majority of patients who take them, that is fact simple as.
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Drummer
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As I pointed out - I do not have the full facts - and I do not have access to the British medical journal either.
It seems that there is enough pressure for there to be a re-evaluation of older research to have begun, so I look forward to further reports. I'll keep you posted if they are passed on to me.
Drummer
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No, it is a recent re-evaluation of the work done to 'prove' that saturated fats are less healthy than vegetable oils - something the British medical journal seems to be reporting on.You're quoting a study done over 50 years ago?
It irrelevant to any modern dietary advice.
Research Review: Old data on dietary fats in context with current recommendations
(Comments on Ramsden et al. in the British Medical Journal) Our expert examines a recent paper (1) based on 1960’s data that challenges current guidelines on the benefits of replacing saturated fat…www.hsph.harvard.edu
From what I can gather the original conclusion was somewhat misleading.
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A lot on here treat there diabetes by diet control.
It's just one of many options open to us all.
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Yes, misleading.
Unlike your statement, which is basically just wrong.
As you say, you don't have facts.
Read my link.
AndBreathe
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Personally, I think lung cancer, COPD, cirrhosis of the liver and obesity are also potential killers. Long term lung cancer survival rates aren't good, even if it is detected early.
Contract law is contract law. The contract is made on paying the first premium, accepting the terms offered offered, based on declarations made and reports sought prior to writing the terms of the contract.
I worked in the financial services world for many years, including actuarial and underwriting. I have insight into how these things are done.
The harsh reality of life is that few life assurance contracts actually pay out death benefits, because some are fixed term and just expire at the end of the term, or customers stop paying their premiums (for whatever reason). Insurers are on a very decent bet with life cover, although of course they will take a proportion of big hits when people do die, whilst covered.
Of course, there are whole of life policies, but in the very vast majority of instances premiums need to be paid for the same whole of life. Some very old policies only collected premiums up to something like age 80, with cover remaining in place beyond that.
Leadinglights
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Ben Goldacre has much to say about statins in various publications, a new one not yet published in the UK, Statins: The Battle for Perfect Evidence-based Medicine. Hardcover – 1 Feb. 2024 by Ben Goldacre (Author)
He does have much critique on modern medicine in his book Bad Science.
He does have much critique on modern medicine in his book Bad Science.
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Not really.
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Well he said
"statins are cheap and more likely to do good than harm"
If that helps?
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Depend if you are one of the people they harm I guess...
Depends what you think are "safe" limits.. cholesterol is essential for life and health the body can self regulate it pretty well. If you want to mess with the incredibly complex processes that cholesterol impacts then feel free. Personally I'd rather let my body do the necessary.
True about 75-80% might not get noticeable side effects.. doesn't mean they get none though.
Check out the increasing incidence of Alzheimers and the increasing prescription of statins associations...
Makes you wonder..
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I guess he's a charlatan too then?
Some further reading for those who are interested
The pathways thats statins can mess with
How and why pre 2004 studies might need reviewing
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Just for a taster.
The pathways thats statins can mess with
How and why pre 2004 studies might need reviewing
Cholesterol confusion and statin controversy
The role of blood cholesterol levels in coronary heart disease (CHD) and the true effect of cholesterol-lowering statin drugs are debatable. In particular, whether statins actually decrease cardiac mortality and increase life expectancy is controversial. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Just for a taster.
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Some further reading for those who are interested
The pathways thats statins can mess with
How and why pre 2004 studies might need reviewing
Cholesterol confusion and statin controversy
The role of blood cholesterol levels in coronary heart disease (CHD) and the true effect of cholesterol-lowering statin drugs are debatable. In particular, whether statins actually decrease cardiac mortality and increase life expectancy is controversial. ...
Just for a taster.
Do you spend all day looking for fringe YouTubers to validate your massively high cholesterol?
But I'll take the second link recommending the Mediterranean diet over the high saturated fat diet.
At least you agree on that at last.
"The Lyon Diet Heart Study utilized the Mediterranean diet and reported a 70% mortality reduction"
Cheers Eddie, have a bacon sandwich on me.
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harbottle
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It's a closed loop system that regulates it at a certain level - which is why dietary cholesterol does not raise levels as the system compensates by reducing internal production.
Excessive intake of saturated fats has been shown to 'break' this system, though, leading to higher than normal levels.
No and I don't consider my levels to be "massively high" so....
" Everyone manages their health differently. Please be mindful of this."
Do you have anything I can read that indeed "shows" that to be the case..
There was a recent conference in Switzerland with many "big hitters" in the cardiac world who came to the completely opposite conclusion.
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