Group 7-day waking average?

[Gwynn]

Good morning everyone.

It's so good to get up to a warm house now that the central heating is on.

I am finding it a bit tough just sitting at home, I need to get out on the beach. I need the fresh air. I need the space, the views, the ....

BG 4.6 this morning. It seems to have got stuck in the 4's. Not complaining though.

My wife wants a bread maker (i found out yesterday evening). Does anyone have any good recommendations?

Day 3 of self isolation

Have a great day whatever you do today.

 

[goodybags]

Goo morning 8.1 today
I ate a few things I shouldn’t have yesterday
seem to be putting on a little bit of weight at the moment, so need to be careful

have a great day everyone

 

[freesia]

Good morning. 5.9. Its very dark this morning.

 

[Robin]

Morning all, 6.8 here. Makes a change from all those 4s. I conducted a big experiment last night. I’ve been crashing down to the 4s or even hypoland by 3am, from a starting point in the 8s, every day for a week. I normally drop a bit during the first part of the night but not to that extent.
So, I skipped my bedtime basal of 3 units altogether, to find out whether it’s the insulin that has a peak and drops me. Nope, it’s just me. My liver obviously thinks, right, that’s it, put her on standby for the night, turn the glucose release down. Brain? She won’t be using it much, it’ll get by.
So even with no insulin on board, (last bolus was at 5.30pm, last basal at 8am, there might be a smidge of that left) I went from 7.5 at 10pm to 4.0 at 3am. Then I started rising steadily from 4am for the Dawn Effect.
I think this has told me that I do need some overnight basal, (it’s usually 3 units, I may drop it to 2 for a bit) to cope from 4am, but that the basal doesn’t make the initial drop any worse, I might try a piece of cheese before bed, see if I can mitigate it that way.
Sorry for the essay!

 

[eggyg]

Morning. 7.1 on this dreary, dank day. I much prefer the frosty, sunny weather.

Nothing exciting to report except it’s new sensor day today. Finishes in three hours. Only picked them up yesterday, ordered them last Monday, called in on Friday to be told they should be in this Monday. Phoned yesterday afternoon. Weren’t in, but they’d “borrowed” one from another branch. This is a local pharmacy with four shops. I popped round and apparently just after I called, the postman came and brought my sensors! I can only assume they order direct from Abbott like we would. Seems odd, they know I’ve got them on repeat, so why not have a stock in? When I said I’d order them two weeks ahead in future I was told the doctor might not sign off the prescription that early. Any one else have problems getting them? This is the first time I’ve requested them, the first month was on request from the hospital. Don’t want to be always on edge not knowing if I’m going to get them on time. The assistant suggested I try and get a spare! 😳 Does anyone else have “ spares”, did you purchase them yourselves?

I’m now sorry for the long essay, but I know you’ll understand my frustrations.

Have a great day. 🙂

 

[Robin]

This is the first time I’ve requested them, the first month was on request from the hospital. Don’t want to be always on edge not knowing if I’m going to get them on time. The assistant suggested I try and get a spare! 😳 Does anyone else have “ spares”, did you purchase them yourselves?

I’ve got a 'spare' because I was self funding before I got them on prescription, so I had one I’d paid for left over, and started using the prescription ones straight way.
Having said that, though, I’ve not had a problem getting my prescription on time. We are told to allow 5 working days between putting a scrip in and collecting the goods, and I usually leave it a week, and it’s never been a problem (tempting fate here). I popped in on spec last Friday because I happened to be passing, and it was there from putting the scrip in on Monday! Ours is a small independent pharmacy, but they seem to do well in terms of getting stuff in.

 

[ColinUK]

Not really in the mood to test this morning so may do it later.

Additional Echo Dot ordered for the kitchen.

Mum and dad are isolating until mum has a cataract op on 6th Dec. Was going to stay there weekend 4/5th as electrics being done at home but obviously can’t now.

Heard from the police yesterday that they’re following a number of leads which they hope will result in Him being arrested soon.

Almost zero sleep last night. And to further add to the isolation I was meant to be in the office today but that’s switched to me WFH because there’s not enough space at work.

Oh and I dyed my beard yesterday - lol

Might just call in sick for mental health reasons and head off out to the coast or something.

I’ll be ok though. This is just processing.

 

[rebrascora]

@Robin It is really interesting to read of your experience (there are a lot of similarities in how our respective diabetes behaves) as I have been experimenting with this and haven't had any evening Levemir for a few days now. I definitely see a noticeable DP without it, rather than the FOTF I would get with overnight Levemir and my levels mostly sink into the 4s (Libre sometimes suggests 3s) at that 3-5am period. I think I am happy with that situation as I think it is normal (ie not diabetic or diabetically managed) as long as levels aren't rising off the scale in the morning. I think exercise and good sleep definitely help it. If I don't sleep well, I don't get that dip so I think that dip means that my body is resting well and as you say, the liver pretty much shuts down and the longer the dip the deeper the sleep. I do also think that this is a rhythm for my body at this time of year but isn't necessarily applicable in other seasons.


7.4 for me this morning with an upward sloping arrow after no Levemir again last night. Reduced my morning basal back down to 22 as I hypoed 3 times (according to Libre 🙄) yesterday, so putting it back up to 24 yesterday was not a good move. Shot myself 1.5 units Fiasp for DP/FOTF and it has leveled out at a nice 5.6 now. Not having breakfast till later today, so we will see what happens. Off for a yomp up the hill to feed beasties and then do some hedge cutting (Loppers, shears and High Vis vest at the ready, since it is on a busy main road).

@eggyg I had problems initially because I used my last self funded one before I ordered a prescription and I can't reorder early either so it was all quite tight for a while. Then I had a failure on about day 10, so had to manage on test strips for a few days and then my replacement came plus I then had my prescription, so I now have plenty of overlap. You could try a custom request to release the prescription a few days earlier "just this once" (it will likely depend upon your surgery's system) or just accept that you might need a few days of finger pricking at some point. A Libre break occasionally is not always a bad thing, although the first night I always feel quite vulnerable. Or, of course, you could self fund one to tide you over.

 

[eggyg]

I’ve got a 'spare' because I was self funding before I got them on prescription, so I had one I’d paid for left over, and started using the prescription ones straight way.
Having said that, though, I’ve not had a problem getting my prescription on time. We are told to allow 5 working days between putting a scrip in and collecting the goods, and I usually leave it a week, and it’s never been a problem (tempting fate here). I popped in on spec last Friday because I happened to be passing, and it was there from putting the scrip in on Monday! Ours is a small independent pharmacy, but they seem to do well in terms of getting stuff in.

I’ve never had a problem with our pharmacy, they’ve been great. I’m hoping it’s teething problems.

 

[eggyg]

@Robin It is really interesting to read of your experience (there are a lot of similarities in how our respective diabetes behaves) as I have been experimenting with this and haven't had any evening Levemir for a few days now. I definitely see a noticeable DP without it, rather than the FOTF I would get with overnight Levemir and my levels mostly sink into the 4s (Libre sometimes suggests 3s) at that 3-5am period. I think I am happy with that situation as I think it is normal (ie not diabetic or diabetically managed) as long as levels aren't rising off the scale in the morning. I think exercise and good sleep definitely help it. If I don't sleep well, I don't get that dip so I think that dip means that my body is resting well and as you say, the liver pretty much shuts down and the longer the dip the deeper the sleep. I do also think that this is a rhythm for my body at this time of year but isn't necessarily applicable in other seasons.


7.4 for me this morning with an upward sloping arrow after no Levemir again last night. Reduced my morning basal back down to 22 as I hypoed 3 times (according to Libre 🙄) yesterday, so putting it back up to 24 yesterday was not a good move. Shot myself 1.5 units Fiasp for DP/FOTF and it has leveled out at a nice 5.6 now. Not having breakfast till later today, so we will see what happens. Off for a yomp up the hill to feed beasties and then do some hedge cutting (Loppers, shears and High Vis vest at the ready, since it is on a busy main road).

@eggyg I had problems initially because I used my last self funded one before I ordered a prescription and I can't reorder early either so it was all quite tight for a while. Then I had a failure on about day 10, so had to manage on test strips for a few days and then my replacement came plus I then had my prescription, so I now have plenty of overlap. You could try a custom request to release the prescription a few days earlier "just this once" (it will likely depend upon your surgery's system) or just accept that you might need a few days of finger pricking at some point. A Libre break occasionally is not always a bad thing, although the first night I always feel quite vulnerable. Or, of course, you could self fund one to tide you over.

I think I might have a “ break” every now and again to move it on, if you know what I mean. I know it’s not the end of the world if I have to finger prick but that’s not the point really. I’ve an appointment at the hospital middle of January to review the Libre and wanted to be able to supply the full info to them. #firstworldproblems 😉

 

[mage 1]

6.6 for me today it was 6.1 yesterday and 5.9 on Sunday I slept for a full six hours unheard of in my world .I had a very busy day yesterday sorting my kitchen cupboards out so much out of date I found Juniper berries dated 2008 I think that was the last time we had lamb.hope you all have a lovely day x

 

[Gruers]

8.5 this morning but I bought a carb counter book yesterday and will try to stay within 130g of carb today and see how that works

 

[Robin]

@Robin It is really interesting to read of your experience (there are a lot of similarities in how our respective diabetes behaves) as I have been experimenting with this and haven't had any evening Levemir for a few days now. I definitely see a noticeable DP without it, rather than the FOTF I would get with overnight Levemir and my levels mostly sink into the 4s (Libre sometimes suggests 3s) at that 3-5am period. I think I am happy with that situation as I think it is normal (ie not diabetic or diabetically managed) as long as levels aren't rising off the scale in the morning.

I’ve been following your evening Levemir experiments with interest. Don’t you just hate it when the Libre has you dipping in and out of the very top of the red half the night, because it a) ruins your Time in Range, and b) makes the practice nurse faint because the summary says 'you had 15 hypos this week' 'Yes, but they were all in same two nights as I dipped in and out, and I was at least 3.8 at all times, and the Libre reads lower, especially when I’m a bit dehydrated! Please don’t write on my notes that I had 15 hypos last week!'

 

[ColinUK]

I’ve never had a problem with our pharmacy, they’ve been great. I’m hoping it’s teething problems.

Surely you’re well past teething!

 

[ColinUK]

8.5 this morning but I bought a carb counter book yesterday and will try to stay within 130g of carb today and see how that works

I’ve got the book and the app.

I do glance at them but I’m not anywhere near as strict as perhaps I could be.

 

[janw]

7.00 this morning

 

[MeeTooTeeTo]

It was 5.6 for me earlier before my morning (very blooming cold) walk. 🙂
Must remember to take my gloves from now on.

Dez

 

[Barfly]

6.8 today. Maybe it's finally starting to drop a bit, nothing unusual with my diet, had a couple of plaice last night veggies and cheese sauce. I've been over 7 every morning for so long I thought that's probably where I an meant to be....oh well everyone here says it's a journey all of us on different paths to the end....whoa,, where did that come from, not normally morbid, sorry guys. Beautiful cold sunny day today, 6deg atm, expected 10deg in Poole.

Happier times-Sherborne Castle in August, the lovely Jane and our little Abby.

 

[Lanny]

08:46 BS 8.3 Waking & BS in general is rising & I’m optimistically thinking cycle will be over soon? So, I’m putting NR back up to normal doses & carry on with intermittent basal testing, ie. an hour at least here & there with no active bolus on board, to see if 76 Tresiba is ok? 🙄

A Very Good Morning to you all & have a Wonderful Day! 😉

Since watching Grand Designs House of the Year, all the series now, I discovered that Northern Ireland has a very percentage of architectural award winning designs & a house built in County Down won it the last time it was held in 2019! 😎 In 5 series, don’t know about this year’s series 6 yet as there’s only been the 1st episode, there have been 8 Northern Irish houses shown on the long list & I know & actually seen one of them in Maghera!😛😎 In the 1st series in 2015 there were 4 on the long list & Kevin said that’s astounding for a region in the UK with only 1.8 million people! A very well done to Northern Irish architects! Clapping Hands emoji!

Also, discovered every episode of Grand Designs is available on All 4 right back from 1999 & have started watching from the beginning! I haven’t actually counted the number of episodes that is but, it’s a LOT & it’ll take some time to go through it all! 😱 I DID of course watched quite a few episodes, live as it were, over the years & some stick out in my memory more than others! It’s quite interesting to see the first builds in that first year which were finished to be shown in 1999 but, most were actually built in 1998 & some in 1997!😱

 

[rebrascora]

I’ve been following your evening Levemir experiments with interest. Don’t you just hate it when the Libre has you dipping in and out of the very top of the red half the night, because it a) ruins your Time in Range, and b) makes the practice nurse faint because the summary says 'you had 15 hypos this week' 'Yes, but they were all in same two nights as I dipped in and out, and I was at least 3.8 at all times, and the Libre reads lower, especially when I’m a bit dehydrated! Please don’t write on my notes that I had 15 hypos last week!'

It definitely bugs me about ruining my TIR and it causes a little resentment towards Libre because I am then torn between taking carbs on board when it drops into the red even when a finger prick shows I am not hypo just to mitigate it for my stats or leaving it and making it look like I am neglecting my diabetes.
I have to say, I don't worry about my practice nurse as, firstly, she is lovely and totally understanding but secondly, doesn't see my Libre unless I offer to show her it. My consultant is extremely happy with my diabetes control and my approach to my management and I have no worries that I can explain anything on my graph that he wants to query. I think he is also aware that Libre is not overly accurate and often reads lower.
I tend to average about 1 hypo a day according to Libre, but most of those are borderline or not hypo at all and my BG meter can mostly corroborate that although I have to be honest, I don't always double check with it, especially if I can feel it is definitely a hypo or I know I have mistimed my breakfast or something stupid like that.

I do wonder at our mentality that we are more concerned about justifying our less good results to a health care professional than being concerned about them ourselves. I know that self awareness is important in lots of ways with diabetes and I am constantly reassessing how casual my attitude is towards hypos and if I am perhaps becoming a bit too careless or blase. I know it is a fine balance, but fear of them was crippling, so I am happy with my current mindset and I think my records show that I am tweaking my basal whenever necessary to tackle problems.

I think, since my DAFNE course, I feel much more confident about justifying my actions to any health care professional who wants to challenge them as well as feeling much more confident about managing my diabetes itself. Funny that a course, the title of which nearly put me off attending, because of course I don't "eat normally" and much of the course being about carb counting, which was not exactly applicable for me, should help me so much.