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Group 7-day waking average?

When I wake up, my liver starts releasing glucose into my system, to gear up for the coming day. If I don’t eat, it continues to push out glucose to fuel my body. If I then exercised, it would probably push out even more, to keep me fuelled up for the duration. The liver doesn’t understand that all this glucose is going nowhere because you don’t have the insulin to process and use it.
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At the other end of the day (and this has only just occurred to me) the liver will need to replenish itself so it’s stores of glucose are ready to go in the morning. So while you’re asleep, the liver will extract glucose from the system, which could explain why you unexpectedly go low overnight sometimes.

That's some very useful advice in there which I genuinely hadn't thought about.
I'm going to keep that in mind if my sugars get that high. I would have assumed a 2-3 mmol/L correction plus some exercise would be the way to go. Maybe I'll do just the correction and wait for an hour or two to see what happens.
 
@Kaylz
Thanks about the research. I have spent a couple of hours trying to find out about I-C ratios. Goodness me it is complicated.
It suggests that I am 1:50. I was doing this following the advice I was given yesterday. I have decided, on the advice about exercising, to eat a small breakfast before going out. I will only have about 2 carbs so can only inject 1 unit of NR. I am still confused.
 
@Kaylz
Thanks about the research. I have spent a couple of hours trying to find out about I-C ratios. Goodness me it is complicated.
It suggests that I am 1:50. I was doing this following the advice I was given yesterday. I have decided, on the advice about exercising, to eat a small breakfast before going out. I will only have about 2 carbs so can only inject 1 unit of NR. I am still confused.
Personally never found it that comlicated, do you think your 1U to cover 50g carbs? I've never heard of anyone that sensitive to insulin and you can't be that sensitive as your corrections don't have that much of an impact, I really don't know how you've come to the conclusion that 1 unit will cover 50g carbs for you, please do explain xx
 
I was on some site or other I can't remember which one. I was asked to click on on the amount of insulin I used in a day and that is what it came up with, it's OK though because I didn't believe it either. I'll carry on researching. Apparently, or so it suggested, that the norm - if that is possible with diabetics is 1:10.
 
I was on some site or other I can't remember which one. I was asked to click on on the amount of insulin I used in a day and that is what it came up with, it's OK though because I didn't believe it either. I'll carry on researching. Apparently, or so it suggested, that the norm - if that is possible with diabetics is 1:10.
The best way to attempt to figure out your own ratio is starting small but only when your levels are back in range and slightly stable, I'd test it by having something with 10g carb and injecting 1 unit of insulin with it and checking every hour at least for 4-5 hours, if after this time your levels are around where they were before injecting and eating then you could pretty safely assume that was your ratio, if lower after that amount of time then your carbs would need increasing per 1U and if you were higher your carbs would need decreasing per 1U but all of this really only works if your basal is correct so you really need to work on that first when your more settled and obtaining acceptable results again, how long have you been diagnosed now? xx
 
Good set of numbers for me today. After my 6.6 this morning I managed a 6.3 before lunch of a tin of Sainsbury's Cream of Mushroom Soup. Two hours later and another 6.3 🙂
 
@Kaylz . I don't remember the date exactly but it is more than 35 years ago. It was something that you didn't like and would hardly be a cause for a celebration or regarded as an anniversary.so the date, and even the year, got lost in time.
 
@Kaylz . I don't remember the date exactly but it is more than 35 years ago. It was something that you didn't like and would hardly be a cause for a celebration or regarded as an anniversary.so the date, and even the year, got lost in time.
😳 sorry? 35 years and you've never taken it upon yourself to research your condition or look into how to manage it better? Sorry I dont understand that at all :( xx
 
I didn't have to research as I was told what I must do by the diabetic team at the excellent diabetic centre in my local hospiral, (financed by Anthony Hopkins whose mother was a patient also). I did not want to become obsessed with the condition just be told what I must and not do. It's only when I left the UK that all of that stopped. Doing my best now though because I need to and want to.
 
I didn't have to research as I was told what I must do by the diabetic team at the excellent diabetic centre in my local hospiral, (financed by Anthony Hopkins whose mother was a patient also). I did not want to become obsessed with the condition just be told what I must and not do. It's only when I left the UK that all of that stopped. Doing my best now though because I need to and want to.
While their advice is great, thats all it is, they aren't living with it and most of them its learned from a textbook so it is really something you should have looked into yourself as well, you can't always rely on a team as there's times they aren't going to be available, you need to use your own initiative in many circumstances but what you were told back then isn't something that should just be forgotten, look how long you've been letting this go on for, its months now and your still no further along, if it had been me I would have been sorting it out ASAP, looking on many sites to get information on how to manage it, what suggestions there were, nobody can do it for you, we're trying our best to help but there's only so much we can do and day after day its becoming more and more repetative, you don't carry a meter out because you've got nowhere to put it, as you found out the hard way that's highly dangerous, find a way, you don't want to basal test because it doesn't fit in, none of us particularly want to but its something we have to do to manage our condition, nobody else can do it, we have to do it for ourselves, you wouldn't let Missy suffer everyday so why allow yourself to? Think what it would be like on Missy if you ended up in hospital for days on end, surely thats enough to make you think you must get awareness of your diabetes, please, please do your research xx
 
@Michael12421
Firstly, well done! You hit the morning target range I set you of 10-12. That's a great start!

As others have said, the rise in BG could well be down to Dawn Phenomenon or "foot on the floor" syndrome where the liver pumps out glucose when you get out of bed to start the day. I used to have to inject 1 or usually 2 units of NovoRapid to cover it, even if I was having breakfast, otherwise my BG would increase 5-6 mmols. Some people find that having something to eat straight away stops it but we are all different and that doesn't seem to work for me. Our bodies and environmental factors are also always changing and so we need to review these tactics if we see they no longer work. A couple of months ago, for some inexplicable reason, I have stopped having such a dramatic foot on the floor response and currently my BG only increases by a few decimal places after I get up so I just inject the normal amount of insulin needed for my breakfast with no extra correction and if I don't have breakfast I don't need any NR. I can't figure out why things have changed but I just need to accept that they have and adjust my management. Regular testing is key to spotting these trends and making the necessary adjustments and figuring out how our particular body responds to different foods and exercise and correction doses of insulin.

Personally I don't think there was any harm in you going for a walk this morning as it can lower your levels. From what I was told, it is recommended to avoid more exertive, cardiovascular exercise when readings are above 15 but gentle exercise like walking is good.
You do however need to be looking to take conservative corrections to keep your levels in that 10-12 range though, so a correction dose of 2 or 3 units as suggested would have been a good idea when you saw you were 16 and testing kit with you to check half way round your walk that all was still well. At least that is what I would have done but I understand you would be wary of doing a correction and then going out for a walk after your recent incidents, so perhaps delaying the walk until the correction dose had worked might have been a better option.

If you can manage to wake up tomorrow with a reading between 10 and 12 again, try one digestive biscuit with your cup of tea which is about 10g carbs with 3 units of NR..... ie 1 unit for the biscuit and 2 for Dawn Phenomenon/Foot on the floor.... if your BG is lower than 10 in the morning just use 2 units with the biscuit just to be safe. If it is under 7, just bolus 1 unit of NR for the biscuit and no correction for DP and see what happens. That way you can see if eating the biscuit works to stop DP but if it doesn't you should end up about 10 which is ok for now.

Make sure to test before you walk Missy and test whilst you are out, so be sure to have jelly babies and testing kit with you and test again when you get back.

I know you will probably feel like we are all getting at you but it is because we care so please stick with us here.
The chances are a lot of this stuff has been going on unnoticed by you because you were not eating and therefore not testing by the sound of things except first thing and then at night for dinner. I found that testing 8-10 times a day was when I started to see what was really happening and figure out how best to manage it.

Please make sure to get in touch with the surgery and get plenty more test strips. We don't want you running out. If they are difficult about it, explain that you need them to keep you from having another emergency ambulance and hospital visit and speak to the doctor if necessary to get it sorted.

Hoping you can get another reading in the 10-12 range tomorrow morning and hopefully keep it there most of the day. X
 
4.1 for me this morning which I am OK with. Put my evening Levemir back up from 5.5 to 6 so might knock it back to 5.5 tonight and hopefully get an House Special tomorrow.
Had a 30g carb breakfast this morning which is a lot for me and usually takes me up into the 9s, even pre-bolussing by nearly an hour, but this morning just took me to 6.1 and then back into the 5s, so I'm chuffed to bits with that!
Had a low carb lunch of salad with a big dollop of cheese coleslaw for lunch without any bolus (probably just less than 10g carbs) and still haven't been higher than 8 today, so I am having a really good BG day.... long may it continue!
 
@rebrascora may I ask where you get the cheese colelslaw please? And carb info too please? I'd make my own but there would be no point xx
 
@rebrascora may I ask where you get the cheese colelslaw please? And carb info too please? I'd make my own but there would be no point xx
It's Lidl Meadow Fresh Cheese Coleslaw. 1.2g carbs per 50g serving but I probably have 75-100g serving if I don't have anything else with my salad, but more like 50g if I have it with an omelette or boiled eggs and salad.
I had just finished making a big batch of ratatouille when I had lunch so I also had a few spoonfuls of that as well as my salad.... to adjust seasoning etc of course and a tomato on my salad, hence my rough total of just under 10g carbs.
 
It's Lidl Meadow Fresh Cheese Coleslaw. 1.2g carbs per 50g serving but I probably have 75-100g serving if I don't have anything else with my salad, but more like 50g if I have it with an omelette or boiled eggs and salad.
Ohh fab, I'll get my mum to have a look when she's in for her shopping on Friday, thank you! xx
 
Delighted to help. I didn't think you had access to Lidl so was concerned the info would be a disappointment. Hope you enjoy. I love it. Their Creamy coleslaw is really good too but the cheese one is better!
 
Delighted to help. I didn't think you had access to Lidl so was concerned the info would be a disappointment. Hope you enjoy. I love it. Their Creamy coleslaw is really good too but the cheese one is better!
No it's Aldi I don't have access to which is a shame as its their 85% chocolate I treat myself to lol, I haven't had coleslaw for ages so quite looking forward to it! xx
 
@Kaylz
It is a staple part of my diet and always features on my weekly shop and haven't got sick of it yet. I have been using their Creamy Coleslaw for years but after diagnosis I discovered the cheese one which is lower carb and tastes even better. Lidl Meadow Fresh Creamy Coleslaw is 1.9g carbs per 50g serving, so still pretty negligible carbs wise if your Mam can't get the cheese one.
 
Good evening Michael how has your day been? keeping an eye on you, evening Basal readings
please and morning too, also if you had any late food which will affect your readings.
This will include anything that has gone down your throat including juice lets help you with
this problem please, just tell us everything to do with your D there`s enough knowledge on
this forum to help most but only if they want to.

None of us think you are not trying but try harder please, @Kaylz asked you if you`ve done
any research? time to take the Bull by the horns a Spanish quote I believe and sort it out.

How about posting your levels at least three times a day? set up a different thread and put
your figures and concerns to us, be honest and let us all help.

"Michaels results" would be a good title and no more talk about leaving the forum, still keep
posting your morning figures in the usual way, we are here to help my man take care we are
all here for you.
 
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