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[everydayupsanddowns]

Hi Drummer and sorry to sound so ignorant but what do you mean by ‘pushing your metabolism into ketosis’?

This is a strategy where you reduce your carb intake to a very low level where the body simply cannot get enough energy from its easiest source (carbs) so it begins to use fat/protein instead. As fats are broken down they produce ketone bodies which can be used as a fuel but your body/metabolism needs to adapt to do this efficiently. Some people report ‘carb flu’ at the beginning of Low Carb High Fat diets as the body switches over.

We have members here who find moderate to low carb intake works well for them, and others who prefer LCHF.

 

[SueEK]

This is a strategy where you reduce your carb intake to a very low level where the body simply cannot get enough energy from its easiest source (carbs) so it begins to use fat/protein instead. As fats are broken down they produce ketone bodies which can be used as a fuel but your body/metabolism needs to adapt to do this efficiently. Some people repost ‘carb flu’ at the beginning of Low Carb High Fat diets as the body switches over.

We have members here who find moderate to low carb intake works well for them, and others who prefer LCHF.

Thanks, you are very knowledgeable, it does help to understand our diabetes 🙂

 

[trophywench]

Remind me Sue - why are you on long term aspirin? I'd absolutely have to take a 'prazole' if I had to take aspirin regularly - one 75g dispersible aspirin a day gives me instant painful heartburn from Day 2, by Day 4 it's acid reflux, argh. The cardiac 'lot' aren't happy if I'm not on a blood thinner though cos I have intermittent claudication (hardening of the arteries in my left leg) so I'm on Clopidogrel now.

I only get heartburn now if I eat high-fatty stuff at dinnertime - hence grabbing a pizza with loads of cheese past about 7.30 pm ain't a brilliant idea - and Rennies still work when I rebel! - but I do try not too, too often.

 

[trophywench]

I wonder about this too - I was quite taken aback when I discovered that Metformin was being dished out to trendy young things who wanted to lose weight!

It was originally marketed as a weight loss drug and being doled out for that purpose. Then a load of doctors got talking. Unsurprisingly - a fair proportion of their overweight patents were T2 diabetics. Their BG (or boiled up pee with Benedicts solution) results had all improved …….

And that led to metformin being used to treat T2.

So never mind the overweight bright young things - there were a fair few old farts who took it for weight loss well before their 'trendy' fad! I sincerely wish all the bad side effects on the young ones. Try using your legs more and your gobs less would be my humble advice!

 

[AndBreathe]

Thanks @AndBreathe certainly I could up the protein but my cholesterol is a little high so need to cut out my cheesestrings and dairy Lea so better not up my fats. I didn’t think this would be one of the problems of diabetes but it is certainly multi layered and it’s good there are others experiencing the same that can help and thank you very much

Have you had the details of your cholesterol tests? My total cholesterol is usually an inconveniently high number, but my breakdowns are excellent.

It's sort of counter-intuitive, but it is not my belief that healthy, natural fats negatively impact cholestrol, but you'd have to do your own reading to satisfy yourself on that.

 

[SueEK]

Remind me Sue - why are you on long term aspirin? I'd absolutely have to take a 'prazole' if I had to take aspirin regularly - one 75g dispersible aspirin a day gives me instant painful heartburn from Day 2, by Day 4 it's acid reflux, argh. The cardiac 'lot' aren't happy if I'm not on a blood thinner though cos I have intermittent claudication (hardening of the arteries in my left leg) so I'm on Clopidogrel now.

I only get heartburn now if I eat high-fatty stuff at dinnertime - hence grabbing a pizza with loads of cheese past about 7.30 pm ain't a brilliant idea - and Rennies still work when I rebel! - but I do try not too, too often.

I had a coronary angiogram a few years ago and had plaque in one of the arteries, not enough for me to need a stent but they wanted me on aspirin and Atorvastatin. I was told this was as a prophylaxis but worryingly the GP advised me the other day that he considers I have coronary heart disease, I have acid reflux caused by the aspirin according to Gp, a tremor and of course the diabetes. At 57, fairly fit and never been overweight it’s a bit cxxp but other people have an awful lot worse.

 

[SueEK]

Have you had the details of your cholesterol tests? My total cholesterol is usually an inconveniently high number, but my breakdowns are excellent.

It's sort of counter-intuitive, but it is not my belief that healthy, natural fats negatively impact cholestrol, but you'd have to do your own reading to satisfy yourself on that.

I can’t find the latest ones which are not very recent, but I do know it has been high for a while and that was another reason for me being on a statin, the DN said it was high and they should think about upping my statin,I declined. Saw Dietician about 10 days ago and she arranged further bloods including cholesterol so will phone for the results when we get back from our hols and I will be interested to learn what they are.

 

[AndBreathe]

I can’t find the latest ones which are not very recent, but I do know it has been high for a while and that was another reason for me being on a statin, the DN said it was high and they should think about upping my statin,I declined. Saw Dietician about 10 days ago and she arranged further bloods including cholesterol so will phone for the results when we get back from our hols and I will be interested to learn what they are.

For cholesterol it is important to get the breakdown. The total is relatively meaningless.

Fingers crossed for you.

 

[Drummer]

After being diagnosed I ate low carb, and my cholesterol levels went down, and the various ratios were good, normal and excellent.
The nurse said it was a delayed reaction from the almost two years of a high carb diet. Yeah - right.

 

[SueEK]

For cholesterol it is important to get the breakdown. The total is relatively meaningless.

Fingers crossed for you.

Thank you so much, when I find out what they are I will post them so hopefully someone can give me some advice on them

 

[chaoticcar]

I am a skinny type 2 I eat lower carbs and higher fat to maintain my weight . My cholesterol levels came down when I upped my good fats
Carol

 

[SueEK]

I am a skinny type 2 I eat lower carbs and higher fat to maintain my weight . My cholesterol levels came down when I upped my good fats
Carol

What good fats do you have, am still a little naive regarding different fats, thanks

 

[chaoticcar]

Butter ,avocados,full fat yoghurt, double cream coconut oil for cooking avocado oil on salads ,butter on vegetables
Carol

 

[SueEK]

Butter ,avocados,full fat yoghurt, double cream coconut oil for cooking avocado oil on salads ,butter on vegetables
Carol

Thanks Carol, unfortunately I don’t like avocado and am avoiding butter and cream due to cholesterol levels but will reassess when I get my new cholesterol results shortly. Thanks for your reply x

 

[chaoticcar]

My upping butter and cream but lowering carbs lowered my Cholesterol from 7+ to 5 there is lots of information about fats and carbs it is worth a search
Carol

 

[Eddy Edson]

I think this is the best comprehensive review of dietary fats and cholesterol, from the American Heart Association: https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIR.0000000000000510

A nice summary illustration of the risks:



To reduce CVD (cardiovascular) risks, avoid trans fats; replace saturated fats (dairy, meat, coconut, palm) with poly- or mono-unsaturated fats (fish, olive/canola/peanuts/etc oil, nuts, soya, avocados) and whole grains; avoid refined carbs.

The major determinant of risk is LDL cholesterol. Making those changes will tend to lower LDL.

From the AHA's summary:



Ignore the immense amount of rubbish on the Internet about fats and cholesterol, and focus just on the expert recommendations, would be my advice. They're consistent, supported by the overwhelming majority of experts and evidence, and quite straightforward.

Also, if you have plaque in yr coronary arteries then you need to take this stuff seriously. According to the best guidelines I can find, that means targeting LDL below 1.8 mmol/l, if possible.

 

[SJK311]

Hi Sue.
I’m not much of a breakfast eater either however I have made myself do it and found something that works. Try a smoothie consisting of:
150ml almond milk
85g full fat greek yogurt
65g frozen raspberries
30g to 40g peanut butter (100% peanut variety - no additives)
25g vanilla protein powder
Optional porridge oats if more carbs needed but I don’t add them
Blitz in a liquidiser. Makes a big glass of deliciousness!
Doesn’t make my BG spike and tastes great.

 

[SJK311]

PS eat nice cheese as a snack or dessert. Not the processed stuff but proper cheese. Loving Danish Blue right now.

 

[Madeline]

PS eat nice cheese as a snack or dessert. Not the processed stuff but proper cheese. Loving Danish Blue right now.

<hides large stash of Primula rubbish-in-tubes in the salad drawer>

 

[SueEK]

Hi Sue.
I’m not much of a breakfast eater either however I have made myself do it and found something that works. Try a smoothie consisting of:
150ml almond milk
85g full fat greek yogurt
65g frozen raspberries
30g to 40g peanut butter (100% peanut variety - no additives)
25g vanilla protein powder
Optional porridge oats if more carbs needed but I don’t add them
Blitz in a liquidiser. Makes a big glass of deliciousness!
Doesn’t make my BG spike and tastes great.

Thanks that sounds nice, I’ll give it a go