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Ljc

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A few weeks ago I asked my practice nurse about a course where I would learn more about carbs and insulin . I was told there wasn't one o_O The only course was one called DERIK.
I received a call from them today , wanting to know which area would be best and dates.
I asked about the course, it seems ideal for someone new to T2 diabetes as it's more of a general course going through all the basics but it does touch on insulin therapy.
Rightly or wrongly I've decided it's not for me . She suggested asking GP for a referral to a DSN which I will do but I'll wait till I see my practice nurse again.
Am a bit disappointed really.
 
Never heard of a DERIK course. What you need to learn about on carbs and insulin is a DAFNE course, so talk about that to your GP and DSN.
 
I have been on this forum many years and that one is a new one to me as well! Why they can't give these education programmes the same name Nationally??
 
grovesy said:
I have been on this forum many years and that one is a new one to me as well! Why they can't give these education programmes the same name Nationally??
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in Liverpool they'd have to call it DEGSY :D:confused:
 
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grovesy said:
I have been on this forum many years and that one is a new one to me as well! Why they can't give these education programmes the same name Nationally??
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I guess it keeps people occupied and us confused lol.
 
mikeyB said:
Never heard of a DERIK course. What you need to learn about on carbs and insulin is a DAFNE course, so talk about that to your GP and DSN.
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@mikeyB . Thanks , am I wrong in thinking its for T1diabetics
 
No you aren't wrong - and they do not offer T2s either DAFNE or any of the look-alikes.

You can however do the BERTIE online version of the course, available from a link on the Bournemouth Diabetes & Endocrinology Centre. BERTIE is their own version of DAFNE, which is German and costs a fortune to both train the HCPs and provide the course materials for them. It's also delivered solidly over a whole week - whereas BERTIE and it's clones is delivered one day a week for 4 weeks - with quite a lot of 1 to 1. This has what 'we' found to be an advantage, since you all had a whole week to go away and practice what you'd learned, and then come back next week with your report on what you did and exactly what ensued. All these were gone through at the start of each session and discussed by all the other participants - and the nurses 'teaching'. Soooo - everyone gets an opportunity of seeing how it worked for people with different lifestyles and ages. We had old and young, older and newer, athletes, couch potatoes, housewives, pensioners, students ..... BERTIE and DAFNE were the ONLY two T1 courses wholly meeting the NICE Guidelines and BDEC were also accredited to train folk from other hospitals, to design and deliver their own version, with their own teaching materials. Someone else was saying on their DAFNE course that they learned how to treat textbook cases of whatever - we didn't, the people whose probs and glitches we all discussed, and tried to offer possible solutions for - were US! It was just like a real life version of DSF and this forum in fact!

But you are more engaged when the problems and the people with them, are real.

But anyway - have a go at the online version ? http://www.rbch.nhs.uk/bdec2/ and click on the bit that says 'e-learning' on the right hand side of that page.
 
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This demonstrates beautifully the stupidity of labels. No, type 2's can't do DAFNE courses, that's the rules. Type 1's can because they are treated with insulin alone, generally speaking, so the course is aimed directly at that treatment. Type 2s who are treated with insulin alone, who experience exactly the same problems, are not allowed access.

if you called people with diabetes insulin dependent, or non-insulin dependent this problem disappears.

It is ridiculously unfair, patently stupid, a conspiracy theorist's wet dream, and very probably illegal under human rights and equality legislation.

I can't possibly be the first to flag this up, so isn't it time something was done?
 
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Diabeticliberty said:
Dey do dough don't dey dough?


I work with Scousers. That is all they ever say. That and can I have next week off please?
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Fighting talk, that DL. Any scousers on the forum around to challenge this outright slur on the character of the good folk of Liverpool?
 
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Fighting talk, that DL. Any scousers on the forum around to challenge this outright slur on the character of the good folk of Liverpool?
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I'm married to one. He's never said the 'Dey Do...' bit except in jest (although, of course, he does it with the perfect accent), but he regularly does the second one...:D
 
mikeyB said:
This demonstrates beautifully the stupidity of labels. No, type 2's can't do DAFNE courses, that's the rules. Type 1's can because they are treated with insulin alone, generally speaking, so the course is aimed directly at that treatment. Type 2s who are treated with insulin alone, who experience exactly the same problems, are not allowed access.

if you called people with diabetes insulin dependent, or non-insulin dependent this problem disappears.

It is ridiculously unfair, patently stupid, a conspiracy theorist's wet dream, and very probably illegal under human rights and equality legislation.

I can't possibly be the first to flag this up, so isn't it time something was done?
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They used to be known as such back in the 70's!
 
IDDMs and NIDDMs! But didnt they drop that as T2s on insulin werent classed as IDDMs as they wouldnt drop dead fast without insulin (whereas T1s would) so it wasnt accurate...
 
I think IDDMs should be replaced by ITDM (which would encompass any D on Insulin regardless of Type) and NIDDMs be replaced by NITDM where the T stands for Treatment/Therapy.

Problem solved ...now then shall I move on to resolve Turkey and the Kurds or N.Korea and the rest of the world??
 
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