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Hi Mel,
Of course your not 'going on'! Anyone in your position would be as worried as you and Sophie.
Is there one particular person who is dealing with all this? If so, could you ask what things you could change/put in place in order for them to drop the 'care proceedings'? I completely understand how awful you must both feel, but I also sort of see why they think they need to do this. NOT because you are a bad mother - I suspect its more to do with the hba1c etc. If what your son has told you is true (which i suspect it is) then i think you need to see the person in charge and get to the bottom of what would make them happy and see if the requests are something that both you and Sophie could implement.

I cant imagine how desperate you must feel, I just hope that there can be some middle ground and perhaps if Sophie could try some new methods of injecting or using the cream etc so it doesnt hurt her - perhaps this will be enough to placate them.🙂Bev
 
Hi Mel,
Of course your not 'going on'! Anyone in your position would be as worried as you and Sophie.
Is there one particular person who is dealing with all this? If so, could you ask what things you could change/put in place in order for them to drop the 'care proceedings'? I completely understand how awful you must both feel, but I also sort of see why they think they need to do this. NOT because you are a bad mother - I suspect its more to do with the hba1c etc. If what your son has told you is true (which i suspect it is) then i think you need to see the person in charge and get to the bottom of what would make them happy and see if the requests are something that both you and Sophie could implement.

I cant imagine how desperate you must feel, I just hope that there can be some middle ground and perhaps if Sophie could try some new methods of injecting or using the cream etc so it doesnt hurt her - perhaps this will be enough to placate them.🙂Bev

Hi Bev, it's quite complicated in that the consultant sided with the head teacher when it was discovered that Sophie had taken part in a Children In Need fund raising concert before Christmas. Bearing in mind Sophie is a virtual prisoner to her ME, when she was asked to participate, and she wanted to, I couldn't bring myself to say no. How many parents could have done, knowing their son/daughter has so little fun in their lives? It was ONE night. And yes, obviously it drained her, we both knew it would, but it was the 'trade off' that was necessary at the time. At the last meeting at school, (where the head is already hostile to Sophie and I - she tried to stop stop Sophie being taken on roll), it was made 'public' about the concert. The head teacher quite literally pounced on it, and said that I was irresponsible for not putting Sophie's education first. The doctor came down on her side. I pointed out that it wasn't that one night that was continuing to prevent Sophie taking part in her tutor sessions, rather the 'brain fog' that is so typical of the ME. When I said that given the awful time Sophie has on a day to day basis, and it was a 'one off' bit of fun, a chance for Sophie to feel like a 'normal' teenager for once, and that she is entitled to have 'a life', the head rounded on me and said "not at the expense of her education". Like I said the doctor agreed with her.

I'm still scratching my head; on the one hand he wants Sophie to go to CAMHS, as he says he's concerned about her mental health, and yet the very therapeutic benefits of taking part in something with her friends was described as irresponsible! The doctor went on to divulge more or less the whole of Sophie's previous hospital consult, in front of everyone in the room, making it known that Sophie had refused CAMHS and a hospital admission for her diabetes, even though both Sophie and I had made it clear to him at the hospital appt., that we didn't want him to bring that up at school, as we knew the head teacher would use it as a stick to beat us with. The result of allof that was the 'level of concern' was raised, between the doc and the h.teacher, to involve social services.

The doctor then wrote a grossly exaggerated letter of concern to our GP, and sent one to me saying, basically, 'do as I say: or else'.

Sophie's HBA1Cs have been unsatisfactory for several months, the doctor wasn't talking about involving social workers, pushing for child protection procedures to be implemented, it was the mention of her taking part in that concert. I have been in touch with the ME Association, and had some excellent advice from them, including being put in touch with their paediatric medical adviser, who, incidentally, felt it necessary to apologise for 'fellow members' of his profession. It was that expert who advised me against making a formal complaint against the paediatrician responsible, until Sophie is "safely out of his clutches", as he warned me that "these guys have very big cannons...... and lone mothers are seen as fair game". Disgraceful.

Anyway, getting back to your question re who is over all 'in charge' I wouldn't know now - there is NO relationship with the school, and the consultant has been 'sacked' from his responsibilities to Sophie, so I don't rreally know where that leaves us. Like I said, we are waiting for an alternative referral elsewhere, through the GP, who had originally been reluctant to remove Sophie from the existing 'care' until a new one was found, but then accepted our argument that Sophie was ALREADY without 'care', because she catagorically refuses to go back.

To my mind, the meeting in two weeks' time should be cancelled until she has a new team, but I just don't know. What I also don't know, is whether the bully of a paed. has already contacted social services, and they just intend to turn up at the meeting...............

Oh Gawd, I've written a book lol! Maybe that's what I should do! We'll emigrate, to a desert island, and I'll sit under a palm tree and write a book about it all!!!

I'm so grateful for all the support, thank you.
 
Hi Mel, have a look at my previous post re care proceedings. I am a registered Independent Social Worker (this means I don't work for the local authority, but am self-employed), and my background is in childcare and foster care, so I speak with some experience. Whereas what people say is true - there has been a reaction to remove children deemed to be 'at significant risk' more quickly, following the sad death of baby P, I don't think this would apply to Sophie, who is nearly 16 and whose circumstances are entirely different. Children's services may decide to call a case conference if several people share concerns about Sophie, and you may get a visit from a social worker to discuss the situation. However, they may not share the consultant's or the headteacher's views and must take sophie's views into account. Children can only be removed with a court order and only the police have the power to remove anyone in an emergency. I think as you say, Sophie has not been hospitalised and you have ensured she is as safe and well looked after as can be expected. You may even find that children's services will ensure you get the health care Sophie needs, and may fight your corner re education.

You might find the best people to help fight your case with education are some of the charitable groups, many of whom may have been in a similar situation - might be worth a look to see whose out there.

PS - you mention sophie's nurse - where does he/she stand in all of this?
 
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Another thought - it doesn't sound as though the school are taking Sophie's special educational needs (due to her health issues) into consideration - does she have a Statement, have the school sought the advice of an educational psychologist? Just on a personal note, I think it is as important for Sophie to feel like a 'normal' teenager and have opportunites to enjoy life, as much as to be educated - her education should be fitting around her needs, not her needs around the school's. One of my sons had a dreadful experience of school and managed to learn in spite of, rather than because of, his last couple of years at school. This was not due to individual teachers, some of whom were great, but the headteacher's views and the school philosophy, and their lack of understanding of young people with emotional and behavioural difficulties.
 
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I don't even know how, or why that meeting should still be going ahead, as the paediatrician responsible is no longer my daughter's doctor. (He was the Chair). Does anyone know whether he still has a right to be there, even though he is no longer Sophie's consultant?

If this meeting is a strategy or conference meeting, he may be asked to attend if he made the referral, but I suspect he will not attend, and whoever sophie is under at the moment may. Don't forget, Sophie's views must be heard and taken into consideration (as should yours) and if she is unable to attend for health reasons, then someone, possibly a social worker, should represent her views.

Try not to worry about it all, and remember that it could all actually go in your favour - you might get recognition for supporting and maintaining sophie's health as well as you have, and you may get support in attaining education and health care that meet her needs. Even if it is felt that her welfare is 'at risk', it does not necessarily mean she would be removed from home, and I think at her age and in the circumstances you describe, it is extremely unlikely.
 
If this meeting is a strategy or conference meeting, he may be asked to attend if he made the referral, but I suspect he will not attend, and whoever sophie is under at the moment may. Don't forget, Sophie's views must be heard and taken into consideration (as should yours) and if she is unable to attend for health reasons, then someone, possibly a social worker, should represent her views.

Try not to worry about it all, and remember that it could all actually go in your favour - you might get recognition for supporting and maintaining sophie's health as well as you have, and you may get support in attaining education and health care that meet her needs. Even if it is felt that her welfare is 'at risk', it does not necessarily mean she would be removed from home, and I think at her age and in the circumstances you describe, it is extremely unlikely.

Hi Runner,
Sorry for butting in - but i just wanted to say you know your stuff and i am certain that Mel and Sophie will benefit from all your advice and experience. After reading your post it seems to me that both Sophie and her mum may get the help they have needed all along.🙂Bev
 
Lets hope so Bev!
 
Lets hope so Bev!

Thank you, you have helped to calm my fears, though they won't completely go away until the 'threat' has gone away. I appreciate your advice and opinion, which is obviously borne from sound experience, and so it means a lot.

The school haven't ever taken Sophie's needs into account, and, until I pressed the doctor to do something, as she wasn't receiving any education at all then, they were quite happy to just keep trying to 'get' me for unauthorised absences. It has been a long battle, and even when the meetings were kick-started, the head teacher had the nerve to tell me to go and buy my own text books! I told her what I thought of that particular suggestion - the school still receive full funding for Sophie after all, even though she is stuck at home. You are right when you say it isn't usually the individual teachers. Sophie's home English tutor (whom I must say is LOVELY, and totally sympathetic to Sophie and I), had a word with the drama teacher at school, to find out how she felt about Sophie still being able to take that as one of her options, should she be able to build her attendance up. Perhaps not surprisingly, the teacher was quite amenable to accepting Sophie on the course, and working around her health probs. But the 'head teacher says NO'! She won't hear of it. She trots out all sorts of excuses like "it's too disruptive for the other students", or, "she needs to attend every lesson to fulfill the course", and other such nonsense. Anyway, as it is quite clear that Sophie is a long way from being able to go back into school, that's a battle that can be put on hold for now! It just demonstrates the head's negativity towards Sophie. Her attitude also seems to be one of 'drama and art are FUN things to do, and if you can't be bothered to come into school, you don't get to do the fun things'. I honestly think some of these people lose sight of why they went into these professions in the first place!

I have also been staggered at the ignorance that still prevails re the ME - I thought we had moved on from the days when it was dismissed as 'yuppie 'flu', but I can tell you that old chestnut is alive and well at my daughter's school and paediatric dept.! It wasn't until I spoke with the paed.medical adviser to the ME Assoc., that I discovered there is an acute shortage of specialist clinicians in this area. The DSN I mentioned was attached to our local hospital, which we had to leave when Sophie was diagnosed with CFS/ME because she couldn't bear more frequent contact with the doctor there. The nurse was fantastic though, and I sorely miss her. Since changing hospitals (only 10 miles away but the way they go on, you'd think we were on the other side of the country!!), the DSNs have been far less supportive, one in particular seems to think she has the right to lecture me whenever she speaks to me, and doesn't seem to know very much anyway.

I have always respected my children's feelings, and acknowledged their rights to be involved in decision making that affects them, and so when my daughter tells me that she feels very uncomfortable with certain 'professionals', I have to listen to her. I firmly believe that we are not going to get anywhere if they don't have Sophie onside. Their actions are just serving to further alienate her, and I have serious concerns for the long term damage that that is going to do to her future relationships with healthcare professionals, and thus her health. Bev was right when she said that we are not being heard, and therefore we both feel out of control. Anyway, it looks like I've written another 'book' lol, and it's late. Thanks again for your support everyone, it is much needed and greatly appreciated.🙂
 
Hi Mel,

Hope you managed to get some sleep! I expect you are overwhelmed with the immediate situation, but you might find some information here: http://www.familyvoice.org.uk/s6/Useful-Links.html that might help. I expect there are other parents here who may be able to offer information and support re gettng Sophie's special educational needs met by the school/education authority too.

Have you had a visit from an occupational therapist re equipment and adaptations for Sophie's health needs? They might have some ideas about making injecting easier and with that and the ideas from others here, you might find a solution. (Like the bed someone metnioned earlier). You could ask your GP for a referral. Sadly I thnk you're right, There are those who still do not take ME seriously, even in the medical profession.

Hope all this is not playing havoc with Sophie's BG. Stay strong and let us know how things go.
 
Hi Mel,

Hope you managed to get some sleep! I expect you are overwhelmed with the immediate situation, but you might find some information here: http://www.familyvoice.org.uk/s6/Useful-Links.html that might help. I expect there are other parents here who may be able to offer information and support re gettng Sophie's special educational needs met by the school/education authority too.

Have you had a visit from an occupational therapist re equipment and adaptations for Sophie's health needs? They might have some ideas about making injecting easier and with that and the ideas from others here, you might find a solution. (Like the bed someone metnioned earlier). You could ask your GP for a referral. Sadly I thnk you're right, There are those who still do not take ME seriously, even in the medical profession.

Hope all this is not playing havoc with Sophie's BG. Stay strong and let us know how things go.

Thank you - and bless you! Had v.disturbed night but that par for the course with Sophie anyway, it's just worse with all this going on aswell. Sophie has been trying really hard to control her BG - the doctor has really stressed her out, and has her v.worried. The upshot of that is she's now over-correcting and suffering more of the hypos. The doctor ought to be ashamed of himself. No, we haven't had any help re occupational health or anything else for that matter. I have been in touch with the ME Assoc., and they have been v.supportive. The really hard thing is accepting that there isn't actually a cure, or any treatment really, for ME. Sufferers have to learn to 'pace' themselves, which again is very difficult, because when they feel 'well', the temptation is to do too much, but then they pay for it later. Sophie is normally a bright, bubbly, sociable creature, who doesn't do 'solitary' very easily; she has been dealt a very cruel hand. I will ask our GP if there any other assistance we can use though, thanks. (Though if the doc pushes through with his threats, we should be getting a visit from a social worker before long anyway!) 🙂
 
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