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Bovaer to be added to cattle feed

Amity Island

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Starting with cows (what next?) bovaer has been declared a "safe" additive by both European and UK regulators as "it doesn't transfer into milk".

Bovaer is a compound made of silicon dioxide, propylene glycol and organic compound 3-nitrooxypropanol which is shortened to 3-NOP.

Bovaer is a dietary supplement for cattle that, when added to their food, helps reduce the amount of methane they produce in digestion, a gas that contributes to climate change.

www.dailymail.co.uk

ALL English cows to be given controversial Bovaer feed by 2030

A document mentioning a Department for Environment Food and Rural Affairs plan to mandate the use of 'methane-suppressing feed products' English cattle is circulating on social media.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Amity Island said:
Starting with cows (what next?) bovaer has been declared a "safe" additive by both European and UK regulators as "it doesn't transfer into milk".
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A lot was learnt during the pandemic about "the science" and the response.

The same claim about "milk not transferring into milk" was made about the COVID vaccines, which proved false. The same claim about vaccines being "safe" was proven false. My definition of safe is it's actually safe, not; safe only if we compare the risk of injury or side effects to the risk of illness or hospitalisation if we don't take or consume something. Once we start seeing, one, two, hundreds, thousands of related injuries and deaths at what point do we say it's not safe?

I'll be organic milk and cheese from today.
 
paultrose said:
Amazing.....even a story about milk and you manage to drag covid into it
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Conspiracies tend to cluster: people who fall for one conspiracy tend to fall for others. (I presume it's not causal. Presumably there are people who're more or less likely to fall for conspiracies.)

One appealing feature of a conspiracy (a non-factual one, that is) is that it's easily extended to explain unrelated things. So COVID-19 (sometimes a Chinese bioweapon) can be adapted to be a way to test controlling populations outside China by the all-powerful WHO, and/or a way to dramatically reduce international (and national) travel (so tying it to conspiracies about global heating). (It often doesn't seem to matter when conspiracy theories are contradictory.)
 
@paultrose @beating_my_betes @Bruce Stephens @nonethewiser

Whoever mentioned conspiracy or conspiracy theories? Not me, that's for sure!

If you have some counter evidence to what I have said then please go ahead and post it.

Life is about learning, learning from experience. The pandemic response was one of the most contrived, confected, devastating, most officially misinformed, publicly censored, life changing and also revealing experience a population could go through, it would be a waste of one's time on this earth to have not put all that to good use.

I'll never look at things the same way again.
 
Amity Island said:
Whoever mentioned conspiracy or conspiracy theories? Not me, that's for sure!
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Why did you put "safe" in quotation marks, in your first post?

Amity Island said:
If you have some counter evidence to what I have said then please go ahead and post it.
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What evidenc are we supposed to be countering?

Amity Island said:
Life is about learning, learning from experience. The pandemic response was one of the most contrived, confected, devastating, most officially misinformed, publicly censored, life changing and also revealing experience a population could go through, it would be a waste of one's time on this earth to have not put all that to good use.
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The pandemic response was indeed littered with mistakes. But why do you think it wouldn't have been? What frame of reference did 'we' have?

How is "life is for learning' for thee, but not for the various governments and scientists, who were thrown into this huge creek with nary a boat, never mind a paddle?

We've already seen examples of how the wrong things have been learnt :(

Perhaps the real conspiracy is that 'THE ILLUMINATI™', the Lizard-People and Bill Gates engineered C19 knowing full well the response it would elicit, so that when they release the ACTUAL pLandemic everybody will defiantly have their guard up...while actually letting their guard(s) down.

It was all just a feint 😉

Amity Island said:
I'll never look at things the same way again.
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I'd urge discernment.

Edited to p.s: p.s Charlie Veitch managed to drag himself out of the pits of conspiracy, o perhaps never say never.
 
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beating_my_betes said:
Why did you put "safe" in quotation marks, in your first post?
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Because "safety" is a key factor (if not "the" most important factor) in almost all aspects of life, be it the design and construction of buildings, design and build of vehicles, the built environment, food production, healthcare and food safety.
beating_my_betes said:
What evidenc are we supposed to be countering?
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Evidence that what I had said was incorrect. All I have said is that when people use the word "safe", ask for their definition of "safe" first, before making any decisions. When experts make claims that for example -- the chemical -- "it doesn't transfer in milk", use some discernment, as it may come to be untrue.

Everything else you mention I've never said nor alluded to in any way.

I'm not here to criticise, mock or insult other members of the forum, I only offer valid statements and opinion and hopefully develop a respectful and useful conversation.
 
Bruce Stephens said:
Conspiracies tend to cluster: people who fall for one conspiracy tend to fall for others. (I presume it's not causal. Presumably there are people who're more or less likely to fall for conspiracies.)

One appealing feature of a conspiracy (a non-factual one, that is) is that it's easily extended to explain unrelated things. So COVID-19 (sometimes a Chinese bioweapon) can be adapted to be a way to test controlling populations outside China by the all-powerful WHO, and/or a way to dramatically reduce international (and national) travel (so tying it to conspiracies about global heating). (It often doesn't seem to matter when conspiracy theories are contradictory.)
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Please share with us all which conspiracy are you refering to?
 
Here are some facts that I found helpful:

fullfact.org

Is milk from cows fed Bovaer safe? - Full Fact

The methane-reducing cow feed additive is considered safe by food safety authorities in the approved doses. And contrary to some claims online, Bill Gates was not involved in its development.
fullfact.org fullfact.org

I use plant milk but we do have cows milk in the house too sometimes. Whether Bovaer is safe or not, I use local milk from a small farm where I can literally see the cows it comes from.
 
Inka said:
Here are some facts that I found helpful:

fullfact.org

Is milk from cows fed Bovaer safe? - Full Fact

The methane-reducing cow feed additive is considered safe by food safety authorities in the approved doses. And contrary to some claims online, Bill Gates was not involved in its development.
fullfact.org fullfact.org

I use plant milk but we do have cows milk in the house too sometimes. Whether Bovaer is safe or not, I use local milk from a small farm where I can literally see the cows it comes from.
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Hi Inka, my concerns are also for the cows themselves. They've been around and eating grass for probably over 10,000 years. How will changing their bodily functions effect them in the long term?
 
Very true. That occurred to me too. Sadly, the welfare of cows is rarely thought of nor that of chickens. More than that, perhaps if we want to reduce the methane in the atmosphere, we should look at our whole food systems. Carrying on as we are, with some anti-methane meds slipped into cow feed hardly seems the best way.
 
Amity Island said:
Because "safety" is a key factor (if not "the" most important factor) in almost all aspects of life, be it the design and construction of buildings, design and build of vehicles, the built environment, food production, healthcare and food safety.

Evidence that what I had said was incorrect. All I have said is that when people use the word "safe", ask for their definition of "safe" first, before making any decisions. When experts make claims that for example -- the chemical -- "it doesn't transfer in milk", use some discernment, as it may come to be untrue.

Everything else you mention I've never said nor alluded to in any way.

I'm not here to criticise, mock or insult other members of the forum, I only offer valid statements and opinion and hopefully develop a respectful and useful conversation.
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Normally when people use quotation marks in that manner, it is as per a sarcastic "nudge nudge, wink wink".

And unless I've missed it you haven't provided evidence of this chemical being unsafe.

Also, out of curiosity, why does the buck stop here? Were you ok with all the other chemicals and antibiotics given to cows?
 
Inka said:
Very true. That occurred to me too. Sadly, the welfare of cows is rarely thought of nor that of chickens. More than that, perhaps if we want to reduce the methane in the atmosphere, we should look at our whole food systems. Carrying on as we are, with some anti-methane meds slipped into cow feed hardly seems the best way.
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The whole thing is a diversion, a red-herring an affront to both human and non-human animals. Thankfully, cell-cultured meat and precision-fermented dairy is already starting to happen.
 
beating_my_betes said:
Normally when people use quotation marks in that manner, it is as per a sarcastic "nudge nudge, wink wink".

And unless I've missed it you haven't provided evidence of this chemical being unsafe.

Also, out of curiosity, why does the buck stop here? Were you ok with all the other chemicals and antibiotics given to cows?
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All I was pointing out was (using the pandemic as a reference point) that people's understanding of the term "safe" varies widely and also that claims made as fact can turn out to be untrue.
 
Amity Island said:
All I was pointing out was (using the pandemic as a reference point) that people's understanding of the term "safe" varies widely and also that claims made as fact can turn out to be untrue.
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Your view of what "safe" means seems rather unrealistic. Surely by any reasonable analysis they're incredibly safe? Not perfectly safe, but nothing that actually does something is. But comparing unvaccinated and vaccinated people suggests vaccinated people have lower all-cause mortality, comparisons between pregnant people who're vaccinated and unvaccinated suggests getting vaccinated reduces miscarriage rates, etc.

You give the impression of wanting to find some darker motivation for things which might just be what they seem. As I've mentioned, I'm sure there are smaller conspiracies and definitely corruption around the edges of the pandemic (as there always are), but I suspect our government's failures were mostly straightforward incompetence.

Maybe Pfizer, Moderna, and the others wanted to produce vaccines because they thought they could make a profit from doing so and people wanted to fund them to do so because those people thought vaccines for this new virus would be a good thing.

And maybe Bovaer really is just an additive which isn't too expensive which'll reduce methane production from cows in a way which (as far as anyone can tell) won't harm the milk or the cows (or anything else).
 
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