Boris Johnson announces new 4-week England lockdown November 5 to December 2

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This time it's "to save Christmas".

From November 5 to December 2, people in England will only be allowed to go outside for specific reasons, including education, work, exercise, shopping for essentials or caring for the vulnerable.

Pubs and restaurants will be shut down and only allowed to sell takeaway. All non-essential trade will also stop.

However, essential shops, schools, and universities will remain open, the PM said, adding that games in the English Premier League would also continue in front of empty stands.



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Boris Johnson announces new 4-week England lockdown – all pubs, restaurants & ‘non-essential’ shops to shut down

UK Prime Minister, Boris Johnson, has announced a second national lockdown in England as the number of the coronavirus cases in Britain soared over 1 million mark on Saturday.
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I do that already anyways... nothing new for us. Good job I'm going tomorrow to put the wreaths on early then. Wish they'd said 6th Nov then I'd have risked a Bonfire knees-up. 🙂
 
Saw the news conference. What a shambles. Graphs you could not read presented by somebody who it seemed had not seen them before. Usual rambling waffle from Johnson with some restrictions buried in the middle of it and lots of jam tomorrow. Delayed so that it did not clash with the rugby but did not care it clashed with Strictly.

It will be used on training courses as an example of how not to do a briefing if you want to demonstrate credibility.
 
Docb said:
Delayed so that it did not clash with the rugby but did not care it clashed with Strictly.
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Funny enough I though he must be watching the rugby due to the times being changed so often.
Only difference the lockdown makes to me is no hair cut on the 11th unless I can claim it as an essential. Hair dresser does home visits 🙂
 
I have read the guidance and we are still able to provide informal childcare for our youngest grandchild so that’s good news as our eldest daughter and her hubby are classed as essential workers, she works for an animal food supplier ( retail) and hubby is a self employed milker/ farm worker. Youngest daughter due back at work tomorrow after being furloughed, she’s a law cost draughtsman, not essential. Think she’ll be furloughed again as she’s classed as vulnerable now with being pregnant. Middle daughter works in Primark, so she’ll be furloughed. Not really much different for us except for hair cuts etc. We haven’t been in a pub or restaurant since March, had a couple of lunches in cafes but that’s it. I see anyone over 60 is classed as vulnerable now rather than 70. Three ticks in the boxes for me now! 😱
 
Docb said:
Saw the news conference. What a shambles. Graphs you could not read presented by somebody who it seemed had not seen them before. Usual rambling waffle from Johnson with some restrictions buried in the middle of it and lots of jam tomorrow. Delayed so that it did not clash with the rugby but did not care it clashed with Strictly.

It will be used on training courses as an example of how not to do a briefing if you want to demonstrate credibility.
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We thought there was something was wrong with our TV! Amateurish doesn’t cover it!
 
eggyg said:
We thought there was something was wrong with our TV! Amateurish doesn’t cover it!
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I think there's a thought that this was rushed a bit, and. that the plan was to announce next week sometime. But after the leaks they had to rush it out. (I'm not sure that excuses the graphs and general presentation; those have been pretty bad throughout. There's no value in giving numbers so precisely; much better to give them to more limited precision (and keep the numbers available, sure) since those would be easier to comprehend.)
 
Bruce Stephens said:
I think there's a thought that this was rushed a bit, and. that the plan was to announce next week sometime. But after the leaks they had to rush it out. (I'm not sure that excuses the graphs and general presentation; those have been pretty bad throughout. There's no value in giving numbers so precisely; much better to give them to more limited precision (and keep the numbers available, sure) since those would be easier to comprehend.)
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Maybe something in that @Bruce Stephens but anybody really on top of the game should have been able to give a competent presentation at short notice.

A couple of things worried me. Whatever happened to the calm, competent and informative Chris Whitty? Do an "um and err" count on his section and compare it with his contributions early in this pandemic and you will see what I mean. Also, I could not make out whether Johnsons stuff was his usual ramble or something created by committee he had been given to read out. Really concerning was the number of times he "hoped" something would happen. That is not a good way to express how you are going to deal with uncertainty.

I have often commented that the PR effect was more important to the government than providing an accurate picture of the situation which sensible people could act on. I have this horrible feeling that even that is beginning to unravel.
 
Docb said:
I have often commented that the PR effect was more important to the government than providing an accurate picture of the situation which sensible people could act on. I have this horrible feeling that even that is beginning to un
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Their whole essence is as a successful campaigning unit, which is what got them Brexit and then the election. I suspect that they are realising now that this is not something that responds to the artifice and half-truths of a campaign, and that they are simply not up to the job of serious government :(
 
Docb said:
I have often commented that the PR effect was more important to the government than providing an accurate picture of the situation which sensible people could act on. I have this horrible feeling that even that is beginning to unravel.
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That is one good thing about Nicola Sturgeon's briefings - she always sounds as if she knows what she's on about, doesn't she? You hardly ever are left afterwards asking your nearest and dearest So - does that mean we can do whatever then? Or not? like we've all had to do ever since he was elected with Boris.
 
Docb said:
I have often commented that the PR effect was more important to the government than providing an accurate picture of the situation which sensible people could act on.
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Yes, I think that's always been their view. That's presumably why they like talking about the test capacity (rather than the number of people actually tested) and the number of contacts who've been traced, and almost never give an honest view of the effectiveness of the whole process. The worst part of which seems to be actually getting people to isolate, so you'd have thought that's what they'd be trying to fix. No point in testing the entire population once a week if nobody changes their behaviour according to the result.
 
Got to agree with you there @trophywench. Like her politics or not, Nicola Sturgeon is the model of clarity and consistency when it comes to putting over information.

Also got to agree with you @Bruce Stephens. The test and trace system has been ineffective as far as anybody can make out largely because the only things being measured, or at least being put in the public domain, are things you can brag about. There are no statements about the effectiveness of the system in terms of people proven to be isolating, that is measurement of what the system was supposed to achieve. That I suspect is alarmingly small.
 
What nobody seems to have noticed is that this too late, just like first time around.

They never learn. When the scientists say we need a lockdown as a firebreak, as they did three weeks ago, you listen. Same as first time around. Except first time around they didn’t leave open the schools, which at least round here appear to be a sink of infection.
 
Northerner said:
Their whole essence is as a successful campaigning unit, which is what got them Brexit and then the election. I suspect that they are realising now that this is not something that responds to the artifice and half-truths of a campaign, and that they are simply not up to the job of serious government :(
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Taking tough measures against the virus is something which seems to get large popular support, and contrariwise. Eg: Yougov poll today in the UK shows 72% support for the new lockdown; election outcomes & polling in Nz/Oz; a bunch of international surveys. Contrariwise, US polling; BJ's approval ratings.

So if it were just a matter of pandering to the electorate BJ should have been moving faster and harder. Presumably things have been complicated by idealogy and having to herd a party gaggle which includes many anti-expert loons.
 
Amity Island said:
Eddy,
Support for lockdowns has certainly declined since March. Back in March only 3% (of english people) opposed the lockdown, now as you say its closer to 25%. As the months pass, more and more people will want an alternative solution to the lockdowns e.g 5G track and trace.
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It's abundantly clear by now how you can avoid a cycle of lockdowns:

- Get prevalence down to zero or negligible levels by locking down hard for probably something on the order of ~3 months.
- Close or at any rate very tightly restrict borders to stop new seed infections coming in.
- Build good TTI capability and all the assocated messaging and compliance-support needed to make it effective.

Eg, all Devi Sridar is doing in her latest https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ess-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african is summarising stuff which has become very obvious.

It's not hard to communicate the advantages of being in the right-hand group:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1322808643494977536
 
Eddy Edson said:
It's abundantly clear by now how you can avoid a cycle of lockdowns:

- Get prevalence down to zero or negligible levels by locking down hard for probably something on the order of ~3 months.
- Close or at any rate very tightly restrict borders to stop new seed infections coming in.
- Build good TTI capability and all the assocated messaging and compliance-support needed to make it effective.

Eg, all Devi Sridar is doing in her latest https://www.theguardian.com/comment...ess-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african is summarising stuff which has become very obvious.

It's not hard to communicate the advantages of being in the right-hand group:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1322808643494977536
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I’d certainly much rather we had Aus or NZ infection stats right now. :(
 
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