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[leaver01]

Okay i ate pretty late last night about 9pm i have a bowl of special k cereal as i wasnt much hungry i tested my BSL 2 hours later (11pm) and it was 9.2 mmol - i was so tired i just had a pint of water and slept. . . . Woke this morning feel a little too tired for it to be normal tired ness. my BSL was 7.1 so 0.1 over normal levels . . .. So very slightly over .......

What should i have done the night before so i wasnt sleeping hyper?!?!?

Or did i do the right thing?

 

[wallycorker]

Okay i ate pretty late last night about 9pm i have a bowl of special k cereal as i wasnt much hungry i tested my BSL 2 hours later (11pm) and it was 9.2 mmol - i was so tired i just had a pint of water and slept. . . . Woke this morning feel a little too tired for it to be normal tired ness. my BSL was 7.1 so 0.1 over normal levels . . .. So very slightly over .......

What should i have done the night before so i wasnt sleeping hyper?!?!?

Or did i do the right thing?

Hi onyx,

As a non-insulin-dependent Type 2 myself, I would have steered clear of eating cereals of any kind - also, the other starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, pizza etc.

It's the 9.2 two hours after eating (and the quite likely double figure readings that you are likely to have been experiencing around one hour after finishing eating) that you ought to be worried about rather than the 7.1 that you had on rising.

Cereals for supper ain't a good meal for non-insulin-dependent Type 2s!

Best wishes - John

 

[leaver01]

Hi onyx,

As a non-insulin-dependent Type 2 myself, I would have steered clear of eating cereals of any kind - also, the other starchy carbohydrates such as bread, potatoes, pasta, rice, pizza etc.

It's the 9.2 two hours after eating (and the quite likely double figure readings that you are likely to have been experiencing around one hour after finishing eating) that you ought to be worried about rather than the 7.1 that you had on rising.

Cereals for supper ain't a good meal for non-insulin-dependent Type 2s!

Best wishes - John

I thought cereal was okay?!?!? they dont contain much sugar 🙂 . . . and i shouldnt be eating stravchy food?!?! that contridicts EVERYTHING i have read lmao!


I find eating a starchy carb before bed helps me wake up fresh and with bsl good 🙂 Abeit maybe i confused special k for a carb but i would definatley not advise me staying away from carbs.

If you read diabetes UK begineers guid to type 2 diabetes it even says in there to be eating more vegtables and carbs then any other food group 🙂

 

[wallycorker]

I thought cereal was okay?!?!? they dont contain much sugar 🙂 . . . and i shouldnt be eating stravchy food?!?! that contridicts EVERYTHING i have read lmao!

Yes - that's right Onyx! That is a lesson that many of us Type 2s have to discover ourselves by testing the foods that we eat. Before I learned that lesson, I was eating cereals as though it was a medication.

You'l find details of my experiences and the way that I've adjusted my diet elsewhere on this forum via the link below:

http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=6435&highlight=reversal

Good luck and best wishes - John

 

[leaver01]

Yes - that's right Onyx! That is a lesson that many of us Type 2s have to discover ourselves by testing the foods that we eat. Before I learned that lesson, I was eating cereals as though it was a medication.

You'l find details of my experiences and the way that I've adjusted my diet elsewhere on this forum via the link below:

http://www.diabetessupport.co.uk/boards/showthread.php?t=6435&highlight=reversal

Good luck and best wishes - John

Thanks for the advise john but i dont think i will be taking it! i need my carbs 🙂 and my starchy foods 🙂 i just wont be eating special k in the evening again but i will eat some bread instead lmao ....

Thanks anyway

 

[rachelha]

Onyx

It might be worth experimenting with different types of cereal, although low in fat, special K is quite sugary. Its not so nice but no added sugar museli may not give you the same reaction.

 

[Andy HB]

Hi Onyx,

Those numbers you quoted are just fine for the moment until you get your full diagnosis (and even then they are still Ok!).

Getting a 9.2 after a carb snack in the evening is not too bad. But note that you may get the same result with bread (but you'll find that out for yourself eh?!) 😉

Just note that white and wholemeal bread have a higher glyceamic index than wholegrain bread (i.e. they hit the bloodstream quicker).

I'd also make a gentle suggestion that having a carby snack in the evening isn't necessarily a good idea (especially if your bg is already high from an evening meal).

Finally, if you want to eat starchy carbs and they don't spike you too much, then go for it. If they do spike you too much (don't just rely on one test to determine that though), then try reducing the portion size first before dropping them all-together.

Andy

p.s. Oh, by the way. Once, shortly after diagnosis, I had an evening snack of cereal. My reading 2 hrs after was 16.3! So, 9.2? Nah! You're fine for now.

 

[lucy123]

Hi Onyx,

I think John is right. You only find out what is right for you when you test. If you eat too much carb your sugars will go high - and into doubles - you need to avoid this as much as possible. Your GP will probabaly tell you to eat low sugar, low salt, low fat and to lower your carbs. i find 1/2 a jacket potato or one small slice of wholeGRAIN bread works, or a small portion of pasta. You will work out how much you need by testing. You will also be told to exercise daily -even a walk helps.

If you continue to eat too much carbs it will slow down weight loss and also push your bs levels up - which is what you are trying to avoid.

Having Diabetes isn't so bad when you get used to it - infact you feel healthier. You also can really enjoy your food as many of us who need to lose weight have found out on here.

For bedtime if i feel i need carbs - I tend to have half a slice of wholegrain toast.

Can I ask - Why do you feel you need your carbs so much?

 

[leaver01]

This forum is very good for stress i will tell you that for nothing!!

i have WHEAT GERM bread - whats the dealio with that then?!?!?

i have cut my portions down so much poeple i cant do so more - IM BLOODY STARVING!! so stop telling me to cut my god darn portions down because if i do i will be falling over from exhaustion! i have a 19 month old baby i need my food to keep up with him!

Lucy - i eat a carb before bed because it stops me from feeling rubbish in the morning. Thats why .... for love or money i will NOT stop my carb before bedtime!!

 

[leaver01]

This forum is very good for stress i will tell you that for nothing!!

i have WHEAT GERM bread - whats the dealio with that then?!?!?

i have cut my portions down so much poeple i cant do so more - IM BLOODY STARVING!! so stop telling me to cut my god darn portions down because if i do i will be falling over from exhaustion! i have a 19 month old baby i need my food to keep up with him!

Lucy - i eat a carb before bed because it stops me from feeling rubbish in the morning. Thats why .... for love or money i will NOT stop my carb before bedtime!!

i havent eaten since breakfast time only drunk water - i have just spiked at 12.5 mmol im thinking im on the right track BUT got my products a little mixed up i shouldnt be eating wheatgerm bread i should be eating wholegrain and i shouldnt be eating special k i should be eating museli or porridge ......

 

[SacredHeart]

With bread, as other pople have said, you're best off with whole grain. Wheat germ doesn't, as far as I'm aware, effect the GI of the bread. Look for breads with lots of seeds and grains. Am I right in remembering you've mentioned owning a breadmaker? I've got one as well, and if you must have bread, look into doing your own. Then you know exactly what's in a thing 🙂

Make sure that you're look at the total carbs values of a product, not just the 'of sugars'. Generally, I ignore the 'of sugars', unless I'm trying to figure out the GI, because it's the carbs you care about.

🙂

 

[Andy HB]

This forum is very good for stress i will tell you that for nothing!!

i have WHEAT GERM bread - whats the dealio with that then?!?!?

i have cut my portions down so much poeple i cant do so more - IM BLOODY STARVING!! so stop telling me to cut my god darn portions down because if i do i will be falling over from exhaustion! i have a 19 month old baby i need my food to keep up with him!

Lucy - i eat a carb before bed because it stops me from feeling rubbish in the morning. Thats why .... for love or money i will NOT stop my carb before bedtime!!

As a diabetic, you need to control your carb portions to a level which does not raise you blood glucose too high. Until your diagnosis is confirmed and whilst you are not on any medication, you need to build up an understanding of which carbs affect you badly and which don't. However, from what you have said already, you seem to be broadly on track.

As to the size of portions, don't forget that if you need to reduce a carb portion, you can increase something else to compensate. For example increase the quantity of green veg rather than having that extra potato. Whilst green veg still contains carbs, it won't be as much as potato.

Then, if you need some carb before bed, you could try and reduce the carb portion in your evening meal to compensate, if you find that your reading before bed tends to be too high.

Andy

 

[thedame]

Hi Onynx

Well done with the new regime (read your other post!). It seems that the advice given by the medics about carbs can be a bit sketchy - my DSN still wants me to eat some carbs and I want me to eat some carbs as they are quick, easy and I love 'em. But then so ic choocie and fruit cake, ooh and pastries and I can indulge a little in theory but my will power doesn't like "little" Hard isn't it!

The thing is, all this is new for you and very confusing and when you get to your appointment you may get more conflicting advice. I wouldn't beat yourself up yet or make promises you might not be able to keep. Best thing is ot record everyhitng you eat with test results then look back after a week and see what workd for you. Make some adjustments, then do another week. This way I found no carbs for brekkie wotked best for me...less at lunch and then reasonably normal carbs at dinner gave me an overal HBA1C which was very pleasing. I may not be losign as uch weight as quickyl as I might but I can sustain the regime by compromising and not complete denial. I sm sure you will find the same given a bit of time. Good luck and I don't blame you for beign so tired with a baby around - mine is 25 years and still wears me out😉 xxx

 

[KateR]

Onyx

It might be worth experimenting with different types of cereal, although low in fat, special K is quite sugary. Its not so nice but no added sugar museli may not give you the same reaction.

I like muesli for brekkie but I add a little sweetener to it.😉

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Hi Onyx

just had to look this up as it confuses me greatly, but the GI of Special K isn't actually all that bad at 54, it's in the same 'low' category as no added sugar muesli. GI from what little I know is an averaged figure based on the effect on blood sugars of 50g of a foodstuff from a sample of 100 people I think. The lower the number, the less marked the effect should be.

My confusion comes when you see some high fibre things (wholeMEAL bread, weetabix) with a really high GI in the mid 70s, while pure granulated sugar only comes out 'medium'!! It makes guessing the effect of things very tricky - added to which everyone is different, what suits one will send another sky high. As AndyHB says, the only thing to do is test to find out how things affect you, and try to keep those post-meal bgs as in range as possible.

 

[leaver01]

well im going to keep eating the wheatgerm and the special k until they run out and then i will get new stuff next week when i shop - im not wasting perfectly good food just because you all say i cant eat it.

i can feel myself getting really tearful and depressed about all of this. im trying so f ing hard!!!
My whole life has been turned upside down by this and to be honest im getting fed up with it so is my hubby and even my 19 month old!!
Im so sad that i have to count every stupid carb every stupid sugar, im tired of testing my blood to see how things are effecting me, my fingers are sore and bruised and im just fed up.

I HATE DIABETES!!!!!!!

 

[SacredHeart]

No-one's saying you can't eat these things. What we're saying is that they might not be the best idea whilst you're learning how foods do affect your sugars. You'll eventually discover what works and what doesn't.

You're right. It is hard. It's tiring. But it's better this way than not know what's going on, because that's even scarier and more depressing.

 

[leaver01]

No-one's saying you can't eat these things. What we're saying is that they might not be the best idea whilst you're learning how foods do affect your sugars. You'll eventually discover what works and what doesn't.

You're right. It is hard. It's tiring. But it's better this way than not know what's going on, because that's even scarier and more depressing.

I keep thinking why did i have to eat all the wrong things when i was younger - look what i have done to myself!! I DID THIS!!! my parents always told me to eat healthy looka fetr my body its got to last me 85 years!! and now look my bloods messed up already!! IM TIRED OF THIS!!! i just want to destroy my body for what its putting me through!!

i really do feel like getting a knife and ripping my body to shreds - i hate this feeling :'(

 

[SacredHeart]

Diabetes, in both of the main types, can happen to people in otherwise perfect health. It's not necessarily anything you've done, and blaming yourself will only make you feel worse. I know saying 'don't blame yourself' is easier said than done though.

Like I said, it's not easy, no. But you're in the right place for help, and admitting that you're finding it difficult is probably more productive than pretending there's no problem at all. 🙂

 

[leaver01]

Diabetes, in both of the main types, can happen to people in otherwise perfect health. It's not necessarily anything you've done, and blaming yourself will only make you feel worse. I know saying 'don't blame yourself' is easier said than done though.

Like I said, it's not easy, no. But you're in the right place for help, and admitting that you're finding it difficult is probably more productive than pretending there's no problem at all. 🙂

DIFFICULT! DIFFICULT .... thats mildly put!!! im seriously not coping with this - im sitting here crying into my keyboard feeling lost, depressed sad, i have so much anger inside of me right now! Anger at diabetes, anger at myself, anger at having to go through this carb counting and sugar counting stuff!!

I dont think im ever going to accet this!! i wish the doctors could take this away i would promise to be a better person, i would eat more healthly, i would do anything they wanted!!

i dont need help or support i need new blood or a new pancreas or whatever it is thats wrong with me i need a new one!! my life is so restricted!!

I have been feeling so down today even mybaby has stayed away from me!! Normally i get cuddles and even he wont come near me :'(