Again confused

[SueEK]

Hi all, was dg 7.1.19, have lost 10lb, don’t really want to lose much more. On 4x500mg metformin. BG levels are pretty good but feeling very nauseous every morning after I’ve been up about 2 hours and again in the afternoon. Have cut out nearly all rice, pasta, bread and potatoes. Wanted to start doing some exercise now ‘procedure’ is complete but the nausea is stopping me.
My bg levels are weird and I don’t understand. Morning readings are approx 7.5 but by evening readings are just over 5. I naughtily had bacon butty, 3 pieces of white toast and it only went up from 5.6 to 7.6 and last night, after feeling fed up all day I had lots of crackers and cheese and it only went up from 5.1 to 5.3 yet one weetabix sends me from 7.4 to 11.8. Am I being too severe with my diet or what, I simply don’t know. Have no idea when I’m seeing DN again, only seen her once. Have absolutely no idea what I’m doing, I’m thinking perhaps I haven’t even got diabetes but I know my bg numbers were bad when diagnosed and was having trouble with my eyes. Sorry for the long post .

 

[silentsquirrel]

Guessing the Weetabix was breakfast, and the crackers obviously evening - when was the bacon butty and toast? Many of us can tolerate more carbs later in the day than at breakfast, seem to be most insulin resistant then.

 

[SueEK]

The bacon butty was lunch time and yes weetabix was breakfast. Do you have any idea if I am losing too much weight as I am not overweight at all or do you know why I am feeling so nauseous?

 

[JMyrtle]

Welcome to the wonderful world of the diabetes fairy!
Just to be difficult I can eat almost what I like in the afternoon but a couple of pringles or cheese and crackers are bad news in the evening.

 

[Sharron1]

Hi all, was dg 7.1.19, have lost 10lb, don’t really want to lose much more. On 4x500mg metformin. BG levels are pretty good but feeling very nauseous every morning after I’ve been up about 2 hours and again in the afternoon. Have cut out nearly all rice, pasta, bread and potatoes. Wanted to start doing some exercise now ‘procedure’ is complete but the nausea is stopping me.
My bg levels are weird and I don’t understand. Morning readings are approx 7.5 but by evening readings are just over 5. I naughtily had bacon butty, 3 pieces of white toast and it only went up from 5.6 to 7.6 and last night, after feeling fed up all day I had lots of crackers and cheese and it only went up from 5.1 to 5.3 yet one weetabix sends me from 7.4 to 11.8. Am I being too severe with my diet or what, I simply don’t know. Have no idea when I’m seeing DN again, only seen her once. Have absolutely no idea what I’m doing, I’m thinking perhaps I haven’t even got diabetes but I know my bg numbers were bad when diagnosed and was having trouble with my eyes. Sorry for the long post .

HI, sorry to read your post it is very difficult to get the thing food thing right. It took me about 6 months, keeping a food diary and testing, testing,testing. No advice from GP. For breakfast I have a sachet of porridge with a few blueberries. This tends to spike my sugar but I was adevised it is low GI and that many people have a highish level 8n the morning. Lunch I can now have sardine or egg on toast. Supper is veg sausages, salad and veg with greek yoghurt and a few berries
So far this has been ok I was diagnosed in July and my last HbA1c was 39.9.I do have some crackers and peanut butter during the day. I lost some weight and hated it. My metformin is the same as yours.The food diary was a great idea. Tour cheer myself up I awarded myself gold stars if I had good sugar levels.It just takes time for it to settle.Trial and error.

 

[SueEK]

Thanks very much Sharron, thought I was doing ok and now just feel like I haven’t got a clue. I’m finding breakfast the hardest as am up at 5.30, start work at 7, can’t face porridge or any form of sawdust, just getting frustrated and no one to say if what I’m doing is right. It really is diagnose and get on with it!

 

[merrymunky]

I’m finding breakfast really hard too. I can’t control my morning sugars at all and it’s frustrating me beyond belief.

 

[JMyrtle]

Rather than porridge or anything g high carb how about eggs and bacon and a slice of Burgen or Danish bread toast, I find that works well for me and only takes five minutes to cook.

 

[Docb]

If you scramble the eggs and cook them in a microwave you can get that down to three minutes including a brew.

 

[SB2015]

Weetabix, and any cereals are appropriately described as sugar in disguise. So it does not surprise me that it made your BG ticket. Well worth avoiding cereals whatever your diet plan and whatever time of day.

As others have said our tolerance of glucose will vary during today, and also decide to change just to confuse us at times. Back to testing and checking and looking for patterns, but recognising that things will not necessarily be consistent.

 

[merrymunky]

Th

Weetabix, and any cereals are appropriately described as sugar in disguise. So it does not surprise me that it made your BG ticket. Well worth avoiding cereals whatever your diet plan and whatever time of day.

As others have said our tolerance of glucose will vary during today, and also decide to change just to confuse us at times. Back to testing and checking and looking for patterns, but recognising that things will not necessarily be consistent.

This is where I went wrong. I replaced my fruit salad and activia vanilla yoghurt with fuel wheat (weetabix but different brand lower in carbs/sugar that weetabix). I’m only eating one but it makes me rise a lot. I don’t know what to eat now as a vegetarian who won’t eat eggs etc. I won’t eat toast because I can only have 1 slice a day on SW and that won’t fill me up. I have my bread with my homemade soup at lunchtime. I just don’t know what tonhave for breakfast anymore and it is driving me crazy.

I even tried just eating a packet of Quorn chicken style slices the other day and even those sent my levels up. I give up. I hate diabetes.

 

[SueEK]

If you scramble the eggs and cook them in a microwave you can get that down to three minutes including a brew.

I will give the scrambled eggs a go, may have to get up earlier, I only just managed to dash out of the door as it is.
Thanks everybody, appreciate your advice. Shouldn’t be fed up when I read what some of you others are going through, guess it’s our own battles though.

 

[trophywench]

@SueEK - when you feel nauseous - have you tested your BG? Bet it's shot up.

The biggest mistake a lot of folk make (diabetic or not) is missing brekkie. That's breakfast in its literal form - ie breaking your fast - not a meal - unless you want one. When we don't the brain interprets it as being starved of sustenance and because it knows its body needs energy to sally forth and hunt the woolly mammoth/gather nuts and berries - it instructs the liver to give the body a boost from its emergency stores and boost the blood glucose from there. The non D body immediately corrects any over-supply with insulin. Your body also tries to do that but in your case (remember?) it cannot utilise the insulin properly any more and therefore your BG just keeps going UP.

The ONLY way to stop it without plying it with extra insulin PDQ - is to actually eat something - preferably protein but anything really will do it. Don't ask me what a vegetarian on a weight-reducing diet can eat cos I don't know - but an omnivore could have a bit of cheese, a small bit of cooked meat, a bit of egg - eg a slice of frittata previously cooked, cooled and kept in the fridge. A boring old 'Morning Coffee' or 'Marie' type biscuit - each 3.6g carb per biscuit. Just literally almost any thing !

 

[Eddy Edson]

Th


This is where I went wrong. I replaced my fruit salad and activia vanilla yoghurt with fuel wheat (weetabix but different brand lower in carbs/sugar that weetabix). I’m only eating one but it makes me rise a lot. I don’t know what to eat now as a vegetarian who won’t eat eggs etc. I won’t eat toast because I can only have 1 slice a day on SW and that won’t fill me up. I have my bread with my homemade soup at lunchtime. I just don’t know what tonhave for breakfast anymore and it is driving me crazy.

I even tried just eating a packet of Quorn chicken style slices the other day and even those sent my levels up. I give up. I hate diabetes.

Has anyone suggested nuts & seeds to replace grains/cereal/bread? That's what I did - a bit of a struggle but it worked in the end; don't miss bread at all, really.

I think it would be a pity to give up on fruit entirely - I cut down on fruit salad portion size to start with, then built back up as I got BG under better control.

Just for reference, a standard b'fast for me these days is something like:

- Bowl of fruit & melon.
- Bunch of almonds, walnuts, peanuts, whatever.
- Flat white coffee with 30g of chia seeds added.

Filling, nutritious, lots of fibre, yummy (for me).

 

[SueEK]

@SueEK - when you feel nauseous - have you tested your BG? Bet it's shot up.

The biggest mistake a lot of folk make (diabetic or not) is missing brekkie. That's breakfast in its literal form - ie breaking your fast - not a meal - unless you want one. When we don't the brain interprets it as being starved of sustenance and because it knows its body needs energy to sally forth and hunt the woolly mammoth/gather nuts and berries - it instructs the liver to give the body a boost from its emergency stores and boost the blood glucose from there. The non D body immediately corrects any over-supply with insulin. Your body also tries to do that but in your case (remember?) it cannot utilise the insulin properly any more and therefore your BG just keeps going UP.

The ONLY way to stop it without plying it with extra insulin PDQ - is to actually eat something - preferably protein but anything really will do it. Don't ask me what a vegetarian on a weight-reducing diet can eat cos I don't know - but an omnivore could have a bit of cheese, a small bit of cooked meat, a bit of egg - eg a slice of frittata previously cooked, cooled and kept in the fridge. A boring old 'Morning Coffee' or 'Marie' type biscuit - each 3.6g carb per biscuit. Just literally almost any thing !

Thanks very much, I have never tested when I feel nauseous so I will definitely do that. I never miss breakfast but due to acid reflux I have to wait up to an hour first thing in the morning after my medication for it before I can eat which makes the morning such a rush. I keep a small amount of grapes in a tub for when I feel nauseous but it isn’t working, I will try cheese. How complicated it all seems but just a lot to learn I guess, appreciate everyone’s input.

 

[merrymunky]

Has anyone suggested nuts & seeds to replace grains/cereal/bread? That's what I did - a bit of a struggle but it worked in the end; don't miss bread at all, really.

I think it would be a pity to give up on fruit entirely - I cut down on fruit salad portion size to start with, then built back up as I got BG under better control.

Just for reference, a standard b'fast for me these days is something like:

- Bowl of fruit & melon.
- Bunch of almonds, walnuts, peanuts, whatever.
- Flat white coffee with 30g of chia seeds added.

Filling, nutritious, lots of fibre, yummy (for me).

I’m tempted to go back to a berry based fruit salad to see if it will help. Nuts and seeds...I can’t enough of a portion to satisfy me on slimming world.

 

[SB2015]

Th


This is where I went wrong. I replaced my fruit salad and activia vanilla yoghurt with fuel wheat (weetabix but different brand lower in carbs/sugar that weetabix). I’m only eating one but it makes me rise a lot. I don’t know what to eat now as a vegetarian who won’t eat eggs etc. I won’t eat toast because I can only have 1 slice a day on SW and that won’t fill me up. I have my bread with my homemade soup at lunchtime. I just don’t know what tonhave for breakfast anymore and it is driving me crazy.

I even tried just eating a packet of Quorn chicken style slices the other day and even those sent my levels up. I give up. I hate diabetes.

Sorry but I am not at all familiar with SW rules. If you are only eating one slice of bread a day, could you switch that to breakfast and just have the soup at lunch. As TW has said something for breakfast is important.
Things people have mentioned on here Belvita biscuits (I haven’t got any to check their carbs)

It is ‘irritating’ having Diabetes!!

 

[silentsquirrel]

If you have adapted SW by eating fewer carbs and less fruit, why can you not adapt the rules to eat more cheese, nuts, seeds instead? Not unlimited amounts, but just enough to compensate for what you are no longer eating. The rules seem far too rigid for your present needs.

 

[merrymunky]

If you have adapted SW by eating fewer carbs and less fruit, why can you not adapt the rules to eat more cheese, nuts, seeds instead? Not unlimited amounts, but just enough to compensate for what you are no longer eating. The rules seem far too rigid for your present needs.

Because they are healthy extras, measured portions of bread, dairy etc. If I eat more, I go over my Syn allowance and that’s when the weight piles on. Fruits sand vegetables are free foods. As are potatoes, rice and pasta. Free but carb heavy so I can adapt those for other free foods easily.

Cheese and nuts etc are totally different. They are not free foods. You have measured portions. Either as a healthy extra or from your Syn allowance.

E.g. 30 g cheddar is 6 syns. I can only have 15 a day which accounts for everything else, butter, sauces, most foods that are not fresh fruit or vegetables, or lean meats/Quorn etc.


I understand what people say about the rigidity of the diet but that’s what helps me lose weight easily. Left to my own devices I would end up gaining it back. The weight loss should help the levels considerably. If I need to be more drastic down the line then I will be.

 

[JMyrtle]

Merrymunky, I cannot understand why you are doing this.
I am probably old enough to be your Grandmother and under the rules Grandmother's are allowed to say anything, well almost.
So here goes, you have diabetes fact, diabetes is a life long, life altering condition which if you don't treat with respect could make your life very miserable.
Being a vegetarian and following a rigid diet are life choices not a life sentence like diabetes and if your diabetes was under control there would be no reason not to make those choices but yours isn't, yet.
You will find that if you restrict your carb intake you will loose weight but you must give it a chance and your metabolism to change but it takes time.
Your body needs protein and vitamins usually found in meat and dairy products and if you cut those out along with carbohydrates you are putting great stress on your body, particularly if you are trying to conceive, that is probably why you feel so unwell and your b/g is all over the place.
What you need to do is spend time on line working out a diet plan that hopefully will fit in with your lifestyle and what you want to achieve but you cannot do that until your b/g is under control.
So take a couple of steps back and look at all the diary advice the people here have given you, it may be " tough love" but it's all meant with kindness and once those dratted b/g levels go down you can go back to a stricter regime again.