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[Deleted member 21371]

Merrymunky, I cannot understand why you are doing this.
I am probably old enough to be your Grandmother and under the rules Grandmother's are allowed to say anything, well almost.
So here goes, you have diabetes fact, diabetes is a life long, life altering condition which if you don't treat with respect could make your life very miserable.
Being a vegetarian and following a rigid diet are life choices not a life sentence like diabetes and if your diabetes was under control there would be no reason not to make those choices but yours isn't, yet.
You will find that if you restrict your carb intake you will loose weight but you must give it a chance and your metabolism to change but it takes time.
Your body needs protein and vitamins usually found in meat and dairy products and if you cut those out along with carbohydrates you are putting great stress on your body, particularly if you are trying to conceive, that is probably why you feel so unwell and your b/g is all over the place.
What you need to do is spend time on line working out a diet plan that hopefully will fit in with your lifestyle and what you want to achieve but you cannot do that until your b/g is under control.
So take a couple of steps back and look at all the diary advice the people here have given you, it may be " tough love" but it's all meant with kindness and once those dratted b/g levels go down you can go back to a stricter regime again.

I found it was far better to focus on weight loss.
An NHS supported low far healthy diet worked for me.
SW works for many.
The weight loss in itself reversed my T2.

 

[merrymunky]

Merrymunky, I cannot understand why you are doing this.
I am probably old enough to be your Grandmother and under the rules Grandmother's are allowed to say anything, well almost.
So here goes, you have diabetes fact, diabetes is a life long, life altering condition which if you don't treat with respect could make your life very miserable.
Being a vegetarian and following a rigid diet are life choices not a life sentence like diabetes and if your diabetes was under control there would be no reason not to make those choices but yours isn't, yet.
You will find that if you restrict your carb intake you will loose weight but you must give it a chance and your metabolism to change but it takes time.
Your body needs protein and vitamins usually found in meat and dairy products and if you cut those out along with carbohydrates you are putting great stress on your body, particularly if you are trying to conceive, that is probably why you feel so unwell and your b/g is all over the place.
What you need to do is spend time on line working out a diet plan that hopefully will fit in with your lifestyle and what you want to achieve but you cannot do that until your b/g is under control.
So take a couple of steps back and look at all the diary advice the people here have given you, it may be " tough love" but it's all meant with kindness and once those dratted b/g levels go down you can go back to a stricter regime again.

I don’t feel unwell at all though. In fact physically I feel absolutely fine.

My BG isn’t all over the place. It’s the mornings which are taking time to control but the rest of the day they have been showing progress in the right direction.

Being vegetarian isn’t a life choice for me. I will not eat meat. If I even tried it I would be physically sick. It’s just part of who I am. Similarly there are other foods that I have tried but just cannot get on with, such as eggs. If I don’t like them I cannot force myself to eat them. I will find alternatives. I’m not restricting diary either. I am ensuring I get what I need daily. I definitely consume dairy within recommended guidelines.

I’m sorry but I know you mean well. But just because it works for you doesn’t mean it will work for me. If I went truly low carb high fat like everyone who does here suggests I would live off soup and salad pretty much. There is no joy in that. I’m already starting to resent mealtimes.

I had an appointment at the doctors today and she was pleased with my progress so far. There is just so much contradictory advice out there. I see why people who are LCHF have success. It just won’t work for me. I won’t eat foods I don’t like. Therefore I have to adapt to a style that suits me. Believe me I am reducing and cutting out unnecessary carbs. I haven’t touched chocolate in weeks and that pains me. I am trying my best. But I cannot just change my diet to a plan that I hate. I am finding good meals for day and evening time. It’s just breakfast time I am struggling with.

If weight loss will help with lowering BG levels than I need to be monitored and slimming world is the best way to do that in my experience. I lose weight, I naturally eat less refined sugar and I am adapting those carbs where I can.

I get that what you are saying comes from a place of caring but please don’t feel like I am ignoring advice. I really am doing everything I can at this time.

 

[grovesy]

I don’t feel unwell at all though. In fact physically I feel absolutely fine.

My BG isn’t all over the place. It’s the mornings which are taking time to control but the rest of the day they have been showing progress in the right direction.

Being vegetarian isn’t a life choice for me. I will not eat meat. If I even tried it I would be physically sick. It’s just part of who I am. Similarly there are other foods that I have tried but just cannot get on with, such as eggs. If I don’t like them I cannot force myself to eat them. I will find alternatives. I’m not restricting diary either. I am ensuring I get what I need daily. I definitely consume dairy within recommended guidelines.

I’m sorry but I know you mean well. But just because it works for you doesn’t mean it will work for me. If I went truly low carb high fat like everyone who does here suggests I would live off soup and salad pretty much. There is no joy in that. I’m already starting to resent mealtimes.

I had an appointment at the doctors today and she was pleased with my progress so far. There is just so much contradictory advice out there. I see why people who are LCHF have success. It just won’t work for me. I won’t eat foods I don’t like. Therefore I have to adapt to a style that suits me. Believe me I am reducing and cutting out unnecessary carbs. I haven’t touched chocolate in weeks and that pains me. I am trying my best. But I cannot just change my diet to a plan that I hate. I am finding good meals for day and evening time. It’s just breakfast time I am struggling with.

If weight loss will help with lowering BG levels than I need to be monitored and slimming world is the best way to do that in my experience. I lose weight, I naturally eat less refined sugar and I am adapting those carbs where I can.

I get that what you are saying comes from a place of caring but please don’t feel like I am ignoring advice. I really am doing everything I can at this time.

I have thought for a long time that we all have to find what works for us as individuals, and what we can maintain long term. I have also found myself that sometimes it is not so much what I eat of certain foods it is how much of the thoose foods.

 

[trophywench]

At the same time - we ALL have to accept that diabetes is a marathon, NOT a sprint. I know Merrymunky wants it to sprint - but it simply will not and there's an end to it.

 

[merrymunky]

At the same time - we ALL have to accept that diabetes is a marathon, NOT a sprint. I know Merrymunky wants it to sprint - but it simply will not and there's an end to it.

I’m not saying I want it to sprint but I would hope on the amount of metformin I am on and the changes I’ve made to my weight and diet I would start to see some difference in those high morning readings.

Although, having said that I don’t have much time left to attempt to try for a baby so in a way I do want quick results. The fact that I know it won’t happen overnight is very frustrating and demoralising given my fertility history and lack of time left going forward.

 

[Eddy Edson]

I’m not saying I want it to sprint but I would hope on the amount of metformin I am on and the changes I’ve made to my weight and diet I would start to see some difference in those high morning readings.

Although, having said that I don’t have much time left to attempt to try for a baby so in a way I do want quick results. The fact that I know it won’t happen overnight is very frustrating and demoralising given my fertility history and lack of time left going forward.

Everything I've seen in pretty extensive digging over the last year tells me that weight loss is usually far more important than pfaffing around with carb counting etc etc for getting a handle on T2D. And weight loss depends on finding a diet & sticking with it, and not on the particulars of the diet.

So I'd say you're doing absolutely the right thing. Except maybe try to de-stress about post-breakfast spikes, which probably aren't very important in the first instance & should reduce as you bring things generally under better control. And to the extent you can, de-stress in general - appreciating very much how easy it is for me to say that, given what you've been through.

At risk of being an idiot: what about IVF?

 

[merrymunky]

Everything I've seen in pretty extensive digging over the last year tells me that weight loss is usually far more important than pfaffing around with carb counting etc etc for getting a handle on T2D. And weight loss depends on finding a diet & sticking with it, and not on the particulars of the diet.

So I'd say you're doing absolutely the right thing. Except maybe try to de-stress about post-breakfast spikes, which probably aren't very important in the first instance & should reduce as you bring things generally under better control. And to the extent you can, de-stress in general - appreciating very much how easy it is for me to say that, given what you've been through.

At risk of being an idiot: what about IVF?

I don’t qualify for IVF on account of my BMI. I’ve been shunned for years hence going it alone for ten years before we finally conceived our lost boy. When I lose weight my cycles actually start to regulate more and the stone I have lost since January seems to be having an impact as I just ovulated for the second month in a row. This has been unheard of for the last few years. My problem isn’t fertility as such, it’s the weight that affects my cycles the most. I lose the weight, they come back somewhat. Hence why I am hell bent on sticking to slimming world of it works for the weight loss (which it really does for me) and just reducing carbs whilst on it

 

[Eddy Edson]

I don’t qualify for IVF on account of my BMI. I’ve been shunned for years hence going it alone for ten years before we finally conceived our lost boy. When I lose weight my cycles actually start to regulate more and the stone I have lost since January seems to be having an impact as I just ovulated for the second month in a row. This has been unheard of for the last few years. My problem isn’t fertility as such, it’s the weight that affects my cycles the most. I lose the weight, they come back somewhat. Hence why I am hell bent on sticking to slimming world of it works for the weight loss (which it really does for me) and just reducing carbs whilst on it

Good luck & stick with it!

 

[merrymunky]

Good luck & stick with it!

Thank you I’m sure I’ll be around keeping people updated and asking silly questions for a long time to come.

 

[trophywench]

I only meant that you want it to sprint because of the fertility issue - if indeed there still is one once you've lost the weight.

 

[merrymunky]

I only meant that you want it to sprint because of the fertility issue - if indeed there still is one once you've lost the weight.

I’m hoping there won’t be. It seems my weight and fertility work in direct correspondence. Lose the weight, gain my cycles.