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Group 7-day waking average?

tomm181 said:
6.2 this morning, but 11.6 90mins after breaky - I only had some soya & linseed toast????

Need to work on my breakfast menu - any ideas?
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Poached egg on 1 x seeded / multi grain brown toast
porridge - plain no honey, sugar or syrups etc
(this is my normal breakfasts and keep me with range 2 hrs after)

I'm sure some of the others will be along with some more tasty suggestions
 
If Tom's like many other T2s, porridge will just push the blood sugar up into the stratosphere, it's essentially a bowl of sugar.

Better options would be poached egg without the toast, or even better, a decent omelette with bacon and cheese, or scrambled eggs with chives. Basically, if you're looking to reduce insulin resistance, lose weight and keep your BGs in check, you want something that's high in fat and low in carbs. If one piece of toast is raising your BG from 6 to 11, it's clear your body simply can't handle carbs in the morning without further medication, so it'd probably best to eliminate them entirely at this particular time of day.
 
Emmaathome
your correct morning BG between 4 + 7 and its great if you can get these results .
all the best
 
DeusXM said:
If Tom's like many other T2s, porridge will just push the blood sugar up into the stratosphere, it's essentially a bowl of sugar.

Better options would be poached egg without the toast, or even better, a decent omelette with bacon and cheese, or scrambled eggs with chives. Basically, if you're looking to reduce insulin resistance, lose weight and keep your BGs in check, you want something that's high in fat and low in carbs. If one piece of toast is raising your BG from 6 to 11, it's clear your body simply can't handle carbs in the morning without further medication, so it'd probably best to eliminate them entirely at this particular time of day.
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I've had the cereal for breakfast battle and the usual branflakes, wheetabix, cornflakes etc send me sky high. Porridge for me leaves me at about 6 - 7 two hrs after and is perfect before my running or cycling.

Folk need to try and test and see what is best - up until the end of last year cereals where ok and then suddenly wham - oh no more.

Sorry something else that worries me - High in fat ?? surely it is all about a balanced healthy low fat way of life as well!

A balance is needed - best way forward is to try test and establish - see what works best for you - Good luck
 
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Explain Dangerous ??????????
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Simple. Your morning reading is supposed to be your fasting blood glucose, or pretty much your lowest reading of the day. If you're telling people that a reading of 11 isn't bad, you're going to discourage those people from aiming for a normal blood sugar reading. To be honest, even 7 is a bit high for an FBG (personally I aim for under 6).

We can't keep telling ourselves these readings are fine if we're serious about avoiding complications.

Porridge for me leaves me at about 6 - 7 two hrs after and is perfect before my running or cycling.
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Yes, but we aren't talking about you. We're talking about someone who has a significant spike from 1 piece of toast, which is probably less than 20g of carbs. A bowl of porridge probably has nearer 30g. Someone having issues with less than 20g of carbs is likely to have worse issues with 30g.

Sorry something else that worries me - High in fat ?? surely it is all about a balanced healthy low fat way of life as well!
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Why is high fat bad?

Fat isn't converted to fat, provided you metabolise it. If you metabolise it, it won't contribute at all to any of the supposed bad things that fat does. It doesn't even raise your blood sugar. If I metabolise 2500 cal a day, and I eat 2000 cal of fat, I'd be extremely surprised to get any major health issues related to obesity. Furthermore, eggs will contain far more vitamins and minerals than breakfast cereals, which have to be artificially fortified to give them any nutritional value beyond calories.

ALL blood sugar spikes (be they from protein or carbs) are converted to fat. Any time your BG goes over a certain parameter (generally somewhere between 7-8 mmol/l, ie. high blood sugar), whatever doesn't get used by your muscles gets converted by insulin to fat.

More interestingly, if you eat more fat and less carbohydrate, your triglyceride level will actually drop. Trigs tend to be the main cause of CVD/CHD.

As you say, we all need to test and find what works for ourselves. But let's not rule out any particular food group.
 
DeusXM

Must be great to sound so perfect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND i am most cetainly not discouraging people for aiming for target range BG. think you being a bit OTT
Goodbye
 
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Marier said:
DeusXM

Must be great to sound so perfect !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND i am most cetainly not discouraging people for aiming for target range BG. think you being a bit OTT
Goodbye
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I'm with Marier here DeuxXM - this is all about trying to help and encourage those newly diagnosed people, and help them find the best possible solution for themselves.

Everyone has a different opinion - and everyone should respect what others say and not turn a thread into a this is right and your wrong etc, no one is trying to rule anything out for anyone - remember not all things work the same way for everyone else.

Please do not take this as me lecturing you etc - just a little keep the peace post.
 
In defence of Deux, the person in question is a type 2. A level of 11 fasting is not an odd blip due to the vaguaries of insulin absorption or rebound from a hypo the night before - it tends to be reproducible as non insulin dependant patients don't have the same variability as some of us type ones. Also if not using insulin it can;t be corrected quickly with a couple of units of humalog- so a fasting level this high in a type 2 may need a slightly different approach rather then "let's set my alarm to night to check it's not a rebound from a hypo, and then up the basal insulin if it's high again tomorrow"
As a type one I would not be best pleased with a fasting level of 11 although especially on MDI I could sometimes end up with much higher, due to the unpredictability of it all. I prefer to wake with a 5 or 6- <5 is a bit too close to a hypo for me ( bearing in mind my basal dose is < 9 units in 24 hours and 0.35 units per hour overnight so fractions of a unit can really make a difference here) and Im disappointed in anything of 8 or above
I agree we all have our own targets and some people have to compromise as they may have more inherent lability or the tools at their disposal do not work especially well for them. Deus is on lantus which works well for him in terms of BG control. It may be Marier that MDI does not suit you but if given a pump ( were you offered one) you may be able to fine tune more and get tighter targets
 
this is all about trying to help and encourage those newly diagnosed people, and help them find the best possible solution for themselves.
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Exactly. This is precisely what I did.

I was encouraging because I said Emma was doing a great job against difficult circumstances.

I was helping find the best possible solution by looking at someone's individual circumstances and making a recommendation.

And I was trying to help by putting forward potential solutions that hadn't been discussed and also giving advice based on medical facts.

Yes, I fully appreciate newly diagnosed people need to be encouraged. And for the record, my own control isn't perfect either, my last A1C was 7.1% which exceeds most guidelines by a good 0.6%. But you don't need perfect control to point out that high blood sugars are a problem. Yes, fine, we certainly can't (nor shouldn't) expect people who are newly diagnosed to suddenly wake up every day with an FBG of 4 and 2hr PPs of 5. But it doesn't actually help anyone to pretend that hyperglycaemia is 'fine'. That's not even an opinion, it's a medical fact. Some people might find it harder to reach those targets - unfortunately, that doesn't mean the targets move.

Yes, we should do everything we can to support each other. But doesn't that support also involve helping people to aim for blood sugar levels that will prevent complications? Evidently we've got the carrot...but where's the stick? You need BOTH. I apologise if I've hurt anyone's feelings, but ask yourself this - what's worse, having your feelings momentarily hurt by an anonymous person on the internet, or complications? For the record I'm not judging people on their control, I'm just spelling out the medically recognised facts. If you feel you're being negatively judged by me on your control, hey, why not prove me wrong and aim for even better?

Anyway, once again, sorry. I'll duck out of this now.
 
Going for an hat-trick, 5.2 today and 5.2 yesterday...🙂 xx
 
Good morning everyone 3.4 for me - looks like infection has cleared and time to reduce levemir!
 
A 4.7 this morning....🙂
 
Good morning everyone 3.6 for me
 
18.8 for me......
 
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