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Newcastle Diet -

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Weekender

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Type 2
I’ve just completed Week 2 and thought I would add my experiences so far.

Background
I’m 59 and was diagnosed Type 2 three weeks ago. I was 101kg. My GP didn’t mention my blood glucose HbA1c levels, and they lost the second test results. I used my wife’s Contour monitor (she’s hypoglycaemic) and recorded my fasting blood sugars as 8 and 7.5 the first 2 days. I’d been drinking a lot of beer during lockdown and snack a lot in front of the telly.

The Newcastle Diet as it had been in the paper recently. I read the stories from people on this web site who had succeeded with it on this forum. I decided to buy Prof Roy Taylor’s new book, and downloaded info from the Newcastle Magnetic Resonance Centre website

To reduce weight by the 15kg in 8 weeks (to clear fat from my pancreas and reset my insulin responses) I started the diet of 800 calories from 3 meal replacement shakes and soups (I’m using Optifast and Exante) + veg. To ‘turbo charge’ it I’m limiting my intake to between 12:00pm to 6pm and jogging and swimming in morning.

Observations
The first three days were challenging, I felt hungry and unsure if I could manage it.
After this though, my body had got used to using my fat stores for energy, and I don’t feel hungry at all hungry in the morning and can exercise. I feel peckish after I have my first meal replacement shakes and soups.
I feel quite hungry and tempted to snack an hour or so after the final 6pm shake and vegetable meal. I often also really fancy a pint of beer. Going for a walk distracts me.

Fasting Blood Sugar
The level dropped from 8-7 to normal after week 1

Blood Pressure
This has dropped in line the weight loss and is in the normal range by week 2

Ketone Strips
I bought some ketone urine testing strips and got encouragement in the first week seeing that I was in ketosis and burning fat.

Energy Levels
The reason I went to the GP was that I was very lethargic. I thought I had a thyroid problem – but it was obviously Type 2 diabetes. Within a few days of starting the diet I am 100% more energetic and my mood is great. My family are all pleased with the change.

Water
The literature states ‘drink 3 litres of water’. Converting fat to energy uses water. I found when I go for a jog around 9 am, I grind to halt without water. Once I have some, I perk up instantly. The same applies when I’m swimming.
If I feel tired or grumpy, a glass of water fixes it pretty quickly.

Sleep
I have an enlarged prostrate and am not on medication yet. The increased water consumption for fat oxidation has resulted in very disturbed sleep due to frequent trips to the loo. I will be seeing the prostate clinic to accept their offer of alpha blockers as soon as I can get an appointment.
My sleep is reduced (Fitbit data) and deep sleep has almost disappeared. I don’t know if this is an effect of the fat metabolism – I can’t find any literature on this.

Bowel
Constipation is a known and obvious effect of not eating solids. Despite eating the prescribed salad and vegetable meals, the first week ranged from rabbit pellets to diarrhea ☹ . I bought some psyllium husk capsules and week 2 is better.

Data Tracking
I used to work in project control and like with playing spreadsheets and data so have set up trackers for blood sugar, blood pressure (I have a monitor), weight (I have a smart scale) and activity (via fitbit). I enjoy my morning data collection and updating graphs - I’m happy to share the mechanics in the unlikely event any else is interested.

Weight data can fluctuates +/- several pounds for a variety of reasons, and the ‘I put on weight days’ are discouraging. Many people recommend only weighing yourself weekly for this reason. However, you will still get a potential +/- several pounds on the day – so I like to keep a running average to forecast the trend. 15kg in 8 weeks = 267g (quarter kilo) or 9.5 oz a day. I'm averaging 295g per day over 10 days - so I'm well on track.


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Loving your data! We're at a similar stage - I'm a couple of day into week three. I also did a lot of tracking, in the first week and a half especially, but it's on my website - not sure if I'm allowed to link a personal website here?

Like you, my fasting blood sugars magically improved within one week.

And 100% agree with the need to keep fluids up. Although I'm generally finding my energy levels ok on it, there's been the odd bad day, and I suspect dehydration may have played a part.
 
Wish our project controllers produced such clear graphs. Do you have any links to the newcastle diet - been asking my GP for a referral to get on a trial at my local hospital of the 800 calorie a day diet and getting no where
 
I'd recommend getting the book "Life Without Diabetes". There's also "Your Simple Guide to Reversing Type 2 Diabetes", but I found the additional science/research info in the longer book really helpful.

I'm gonna take a risk and link to my site, rather than retype a list of resources. Hopefully it's within forum rules:
List of resources about Newcastle diet - https://ohbootype2.co.uk/resources/#newcastle-diet
My ongoing experience with it - https://ohbootype2.co.uk/newcastle-diet/
 
I'd recommend getting the book "Life Without Diabetes". There's also "Your Simple Guide to Reversing Type 2 Diabetes", but I found the additional science/research info in the longer book really helpful.

I'm gonna take a risk and link to my site, rather than retype a list of resources. Hopefully it's within forum rules:
List of resources about Newcastle diet - https://ohbootype2.co.uk/resources/#newcastle-diet
My ongoing experience with it - https://ohbootype2.co.uk/newcastle-diet/
Your web site is great! And so is your progress. I didn't think to record my BG throughout the day - but I don't think Mrs Weekender would tolerate me spending even more time fanny about on the computer. I wish I had realised Prof Taylor's 'Simple Guide' was what it says on the tin. I love the science stuff.
I took your point about not wanting to exercise but the attached pdf 'Effects of Adding Exercise to a 16-Week Very Low-Calorie Diet' might persuade you. Keep it up 🙂
 

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Thanks I'll give it a read 🙂

I've eased up on the testing after the first week and a half, it was making it harder tbh. Now just doing one day of test a week.
 
Wish our project controllers produced such clear graphs. Do you have any links to the newcastle diet - been asking my GP for a referral to get on a trial at my local hospital of the 800 calorie a day diet and getting no where
Why thanks - nice to learn that after 30 years stuck in project performance measurement, I have transferrable skills after all 🙂
Here is a hyperlink to the Newcastle diet website
I'm in Wales, and there is no vlcd programme. In England they have https://www.england.nhs.uk/diabetes/treatment-care/low-calorie-diets/
I don't know how to cross to link to other threads (anyone?) but if you look for @Lordy48 - she has just successfully completed a similar programme called Counterweight referred to by her GP.
I just bought the Prof Taylor book and bought the shakes recommended in the attached diet plan.
Some support from the GP would have been nice - they offered an appointment with the Diabetes Nurse, but this is not till 19th July - 8 weeks after I started the 8 week diet :-(
You will get plenty of support on this forum. Wait till you feel the wind of change blowing from your subconscious, hold your nose and jump - You can do it!
 

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Ooff that diet was 450cal? That's terrifying lol!
 
Week 3 Data
I lost 9.9kg - I was hoping to hit 10, but I blew it having alcohol on Saturday night which resulted in 3 days no net weight loss (never again) :-(
The correlation between weight loss, blood sugar and blood pressure is very obvious. I guess I could stop at this point with my fasting blood sugars averaging 5 for two weeks, but I feel I want to "clear the ground" and get my body fat down from 22.5% (scales) 27.9% (tape measure) to below 17% (See post on Smart Scales)

The weight loss is really slowing down, and my initial enthusiasm is wearing off. No perceptible change to my waist line anymore, but I'll stick with it

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Week 3 Data
I lost 9.9kg - I was hoping to hit 10, but I blew it having alcohol on Saturday night which resulted in 3 lost days (never again) :-(
The correlation between weight loss, blood sugar and blood pressure is very obvious. I guess I could stop at this point with my fasting blood sugars averaging 5 for two weeks, but I feel I want to "clear the ground" and get my body fat down from 22.5% (scales) 27.9% (tape measure) to below 17% (See post on Smart Scales)

The weight loss is really slowing down, and my initial enthusiasm is wearing off. No perceptible change to my waist line anymore, but I'll stick with it

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Never say never! Your doing really well, i’m in awe. However give yourself a break if you stumble. Afterall whilst your alive you should live, and 99% on top of it is probably good enough!
 
Never say never! Your doing really well, i’m in awe. However give yourself a break if you stumble. Afterall whilst your alive you should live, and 99% on top of it is probably good enough!
Thanks Blue Army 🙂
 
The slowing down will be partly due to the weight water being gone. Now you've dried out, you're working properly through your visceral fat. It takes your body a while to adapt. You're doing really well!
 
Amazing charts again! And good for you for keeping going. Good luck with the coming week!
 
The slowing down will be partly due to the weight water being gone. Now you've dried out, you're working properly through your visceral fat. It takes your body a while to adapt. You're doing really well!
Thanks @EllsBells - looking at your signature data, so are you! It was quite marked marked how having alcohol on Saturday night seemed to throw things into reverse - I've been 'bloated' for a few days now. I will think more than twice before doing that again. My family think my data monitoring is too obsessive, but its showing me cause and effect. Hopefully this all part of my re-education.
 
Thanks @EllsBells - looking at your signature data, so are you! It was quite marked marked how having alcohol on Saturday night seemed to throw things into reverse - I've been 'bloated' for a few days now. I will think more than twice before doing that again. My family think my data monitoring is too obsessive, but its showing me cause and effect. Hopefully this all part of my re-education.

Well, there are around 600 to 800 calories in a bottle of wine, any extra calories will change your metabolism from a few days to a couple of weeks.
 
Well, there are around 600 to 800 calories in a bottle of wine, any extra calories will change your metabolism from a few days to a couple of weeks.
A few weeks! I hope not ;-) Lesson well and truly learned
 
A few weeks! I hope not ;-) Lesson well and truly learned

Any change to a diet, medication, will take a while to settle down, the same when you finish, if you choose a diet to move onto, in all honesty you have to ignore anything for the first couple of weeks, then you'll start to see stable data.
 
Activity Graph from Fitbit data.

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World Health Organisation
Adults aged 18–64 years
  • should do at least 150–300 minutes of moderate-intensity aerobic physical activity;
  • or at least 75–150 minutes of vigorous-intensity aerobic physical activity; or an equivalent combination of moderate- and vigorous-intensity activity throughout the week
 
It's just a number, but nice to get past 10kg!
I nearly chucked it all in last night. A fresh crusty loaf from the bread machine triggered the urge for a cheese sandwich at 9pm
Seriously considered throwing in my future health for a bloomin' cheese sandwich - seems hilarious this morning, but it was touch and go last night.



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