Can a keto diet turn pre-and type-2 diabetes around?

[mikeyB]

Weight gain is governed by whether the number of calories you consume exceeds the calories you burn during the day. It doesn’t matter whether those calories are from fat or carbs.

Human cells, including the brain, can only use glucose as an energy source. When you consume fat, and no carbs, the fat enters a chemical process that converts it to glucose, so it can be used in the body.

So if you consume 4,000 calories a day in fat, you would fairly quickly start to gain weight. Ask any Sumo wrestler.

 

[Newbie777]

Alas no - you will still gain weight but your big levels may be more stable at least in the short term. Added weight = more pressure on your system. Low calorie diets seem to cause larger fluctuations in bg levels than low carb but will reduce weight and often quicker. Low carb will reduce weight with a counter balance of fats to compensate for the carb lack but still require monitoring and within daily intake guidelines. It's why @Newbie777 was advised to watch his cheese intake! There are no real cheats with this.

With diets like the Atkins I think the carb limit is 20g per day from friends who have done it. That's about an apple - anymore and full ketosis won't kick in. It is not a healthy or sustainable diet. My mate became really quite thin but was turning yellow. And he regained it all once on a normal diet.

Yes am a low carb diet with about 70g per day, most of the carbs come from my two salads!

I have lost weight too, I would say actually fat of 6.5kg in 3 weeks.

I have also reduced my medication, but have still not started any exercise due to a recent eye operation.
Also my BG doesn't go into double figures any more

Yes, the low carb diet is working for me and would also say that the amount of carbs is short term, I would eventually go to about 150g a day. I have also had to cut out on the 200g of cheese I was we eating each day, this is is allowed as it is low carb, but it's not actually that good for you, especially for my Chlorestral!

My personal opinion is you cannot eat 4000plus calories of pure fat in one go, unless you were an explorer in the Antarctic were you need 6000 calories plus to stay alive and would need consume pure lard for energy.

Also, I watched something on TV regarding where a non-diabetic person went on a pure fat diet for 1 week and another went on a pure sugar diet. Interestingly they gained similar weight in the first few days and then there weight platoed. However, the key finding was if you eat both fat with sugar, you definitely put loads of weight on and it sticks!

Also, there are people who have gone into remission on a 700 calorie diet with supervision and key nutrients, it can be done but it's not for me.

My belief they can do better with a solution for diabetes, the current medicines are suppressants, but then why would the multi billion dollar industry want to find a cure and lose money?

 

[Amity Island]

Ask any Sumo wrestler.

Mikey B,

There's not too many of those around these parts of the world, but on the off chance I do meet one, I will certainly ask the question and report back.

 

[AndBreathe]

This could be an interesting read/watch: http://live.smashthefat.com/why-i-didnt-get-fat/

 

[Drummer]

Kevin Hall's group at the US NIH has run a series of experiments which for many (including me, fwiw) demonstrate that the carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis is simply wrong.
They have a "metabolic ward" where volunteers are confined so that their food intake and energy expenditure can be precisely measured, as part of randomised cross-over feeding studies, all very rigorous.
Fascinating @Eddy Edson Thank you for posting 🙂

'Confined' might be the word which makes or breaks the argument here - first thing in the morning I go up and downstairs a few times bringing down any clothes for the washing machine, which is in the conservatory, and taking up the clean laundry, then I go around again collecting up the things from the various waste paper bins, and I often need to go upstairs again if I find an item to hand wash in the laundry. In between times I will have assembled the things for my breakfast walking through the house to the front fridge, at the foot of the stairs to get the cream for the coffee and taking it back again. I have been up about an hour by the time I eat and have coffee and then take my plate to the dishwasher, find any more to go with it - and so on throughout the day - the joys of a long thin Victorian design of house.
To be kept on a ward would first of all remove my daily routine, and also any alternative occupation or pass time - no venturing out to the shops or going out into the garden to play on the trampoline or fight the New Zealand flax, no bedmaking or looking for knitting yarn in amongst the many bags of yarn or hauling knitting machines around setting one up and knitting on it. Even playing my melodeon requires a bit of exertion.
If you think about it - probably eating out of pure boredom would be a factor in the results.

 

[Inka]

Well, the ‘confined’ situation applies to both groups, doesn’t it @Drummer so the results are still valid.

 

[Eddy Edson]

'Confined' might be the word which makes or breaks the argument here - first thing in the morning I go up and downstairs a few times bringing down any clothes for the washing machine, which is in the conservatory, and taking up the clean laundry, then I go around again collecting up the things from the various waste paper bins, and I often need to go upstairs again if I find an item to hand wash in the laundry. In between times I will have assembled the things for my breakfast walking through the house to the front fridge, at the foot of the stairs to get the cream for the coffee and taking it back again. I have been up about an hour by the time I eat and have coffee and then take my plate to the dishwasher, find any more to go with it - and so on throughout the day - the joys of a long thin Victorian design of house.
To be kept on a ward would first of all remove my daily routine, and also any alternative occupation or pass time - no venturing out to the shops or going out into the garden to play on the trampoline or fight the New Zealand flax, no bedmaking or looking for knitting yarn in amongst the many bags of yarn or hauling knitting machines around setting one up and knitting on it. Even playing my melodeon requires a bit of exertion.
If you think about it - probably eating out of pure boredom would be a factor in the results.

Yep, it's not "free living" and of course that could have an effect. But there doesn't seem to be any reason why any such effect should be different between the two legs.

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

Just been catching up on this thread, and an interesting conversation!

One thing which it reminded me of, particularly as different people recounted their different successes with very different approaches (and who then can’t help but feel that this approach would be the right one for others too), was the conference presentation I saw where researchers were dividing diabetes down into very different sub-types with measurable differences in physiology, onset and response. The presenter was chuckling about the ‘5 types’ that were being mentioned elsewhere - I think at the time I saw the presentation he said there were upwards of 70 different versions of T2 alone!

So it’s hardly surprising that different approaches work for different (groups of) people. 🙂

 

[Julieannas]

But doesn’t that just mask the problem? I understood that Type 2 was mainly due to insulin resistance. Surely trying to correct that insulin resistance would be the ‘cure’?

From all the info I've been reading, that's exactly what reducing your carbs does, it helps reverse insulin resistance. There are so many nutrition doctors on YouTube, speaking a lot of sense. Take a look at Dr. Sten Ekberg and KenDBerryMD, lots of food for thought.

 

[Inka]

From all the info I've been reading, that's exactly what reducing your carbs does, it helps reverse insulin resistance. There are so many nutrition doctors on YouTube, speaking a lot of sense. Take a look at Dr. Sten Ekberg and KenDBerryMD, lots of food for thought.

Its the weight loss though, isn’t it? Which is why the Newcastle Diet can work for some people.

 

[Julieannas]

I was told many times that only carbs make you fat, eating fat won't put on weight?
So if I eat 4000 calories a day in fats, I'll still not put on any weight, and if I don't eat carbs with 4000 calories of fat, I'll still lose weight overall?

Its the weight loss though, isn’t it? Which is why the Newcastle Diet can work for some people.

I don't think it is the weight loss actually, it's the fact that you're reducing the carb intake, therefore not spiking blood glucose, therefore reducing the need for insulin. I'm not sure of all the mechanics, Dr Sten Ekberg does though. Check him out.

 

[Julieannas]

I was told many times that only carbs make you fat, eating fat won't put on weight?
So if I eat 4000 calories a day in fats, I'll still not put on any weight, and if I don't eat carbs with 4000 calories of fat, I'll still lose weight overall?

I don't think it works quite like that, 4000 calories is a huge amount for anyone to burn off. I think your partly right though, carbs do tend to be stored as fat easier.

 

[Inka]

I don't think it is the weight loss actually, it's the fact that you're reducing the carb intake, therefore not spiking blood glucose, therefore reducing the need for insulin. I'm not sure of all the mechanics, Dr Sten Ekberg does though. Check him out.

I will 🙂