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TiredOldGal

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TiredOldGal said:
news.sky.com

Coronavirus: A quarter of COVID-19 patients who died in England had diabetes

NHS England said of the 22,332 people who died since 31 March, 5,873 (26%) of them had diabetes as an underlying health condition.
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I’m a teacher and potentially returning to work soon.
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This is taken from the government guidelines for teachers and schools.
Clinically vulnerable individuals who are at higher risk of severe illness (for example, people with some pre-existing conditions as set out in the Staying at home and away from others (social distancing) guidance have been advised to take extra care in observing social distancing and should work from home where possible. Education and childcare settings should endeavour to support this, for example by asking staff to support remote education, carry out lesson planning or other roles which can be done from home. If clinically vulnerable (but not clinically extremely vulnerable) individuals cannot work from home, they should be offered the safest available on-site roles, staying 2 metres away from others wherever possible, although the individual may choose to take on a role that does not allow for this distance if they prefer to do so. If they have to spend time within 2 metres of other people, settings must carefully assess and discuss with them whether this involves an acceptable level of risk

www.gov.uk

[Withdrawn] Coronavirus (COVID-19): implementing protective measures in education and childcare settings

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TiredOldGal said:
news.sky.com

Coronavirus: A quarter of COVID-19 patients who died in England had diabetes

NHS England said of the 22,332 people who died since 31 March, 5,873 (26%) of them had diabetes as an underlying health condition.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

I’m a teacher and potentially returning to work soon.
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It did say that they don’t know if it was the diabetes or their life style choices. If your BGs are stable, you eat well and exercise, your chances of contracting Covid 19 are no more than a non diabetic.
 
I saw the same article & wonder, given this news , whether more consideration should be given about us as an at risk group that us in fact at considerably higher risk of having a potentially very serious or fatal response to the virus? This also impacts on the number who will be admitted to ICU.
 
Get in touch with your union. A diabetes diagnosis puts you in the vulnerable category, so should maintain strict social distancing. It would seem that the English government thinks that schools and teaching are not likely to spread the virus, and social distancing is easy. Every other country in the UK thinks otherwise. Anybody with a normally functioning brain can see that.

eggyg said:
It did say that they don’t know if it was the diabetes or their life style choices. If your BGs are stable, you eat well and exercise, your chances of contracting Covid 19 are no more than a non diabetic.
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Of course the likelihood of "contracting" Covid 19 is the same. It's the risk of developing a severe response to infection that's different.
 
Well - they could all have been 90 and resident in care homes because of their other co-morbidities for all any of us know!

I'm certainly not panicking at this juncture but would want to know when you do go back what precautions the school and you will be taking to prevent my grandkids and greatgrandkids, coming in to contact with an infected person or surface whilst in your care? Absolutely nothing with 'this lot' only goes one way, does it!
 
Robin said:
This is taken from the government guidelines for teachers and schools.
Clinically vulnerable individuals who are at higher risk of severe illness (for example, people with some pre-existing conditions as set out in the Staying at home and away from others (social distancing) guidance have been advised to take extra care in observing social distancing and should work from home where possible. Education and childcare settings should endeavour to support this, for example by asking staff to support remote education, carry out lesson planning or other roles which can be done from home. If clinically vulnerable (but not clinically extremely vulnerable) individuals cannot work from home, they should be offered the safest available on-site roles, staying 2 metres away from others wherever possible, although the individual may choose to take on a role that does not allow for this distance if they prefer to do so. If they have to spend time within 2 metres of other people, settings must carefully assess and discuss with them whether this involves an acceptable level of risk

www.gov.uk

[Withdrawn] Coronavirus (COVID-19): implementing protective measures in education and childcare settings

www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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Thank you very mich for this
 
After the release of the stats and the associated news articles I think a further breakdown is needed Type 1 or type 2 at least then we are all pre-armed as such. I have been thinking of doing more in the community, shopping etc instead of just my wife doing it. But this has made me think again and I think more information is needed.
 
I’d like to know what precautions schools through the Government are going to be taking to prevent all or any teachers, diabetic or not coming in to contact with an infected person or surface whilst we’re in their (the schools) care.

As a teacher I appreciate children need to get back into the classroom either for education or for them to be ‘just’ be safe and cared for in some cases but it’s not going to be ‘normal school’ or ‘normal lessons’ is it worth it? For child safety and protection yes every day of the week without doubt but for education at the moment ? I know there are many differing opinions here based on the experience of your child / grandchild’s school during this time.

Practically a class of 15 children will need 60m to move anywhere like to lunch or break then have to stand or sit 2m apart etc. It’s a mine field to negotiate how it’ll work and preparing for it. Not to mention the cleaning before, during and after the day or moving from place to place.

Children need protecting and there isn’t enough science yet to say how it effects them or even how and if they spread it. Children naturally like to be together, pushing, prodding, sharing sweets, pens, looking at phone screens ......no matter what you say to them they naturally forget what you told them in the last sentence as you turn round! they may surprise us with the social distancing and it may all be ok but there’s always a but.

I’ve ranted a little bit there ! Sorry.
Anyway I imagine most schools will be sensible and say do stuff from home ..... mine have but I may well be lucky.
 
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TeeGee said:
Are you able to link where you got this information from?
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Have a look at this thread, from Post #24 onwards, discussing the French Coronado study.
forum.diabetes.org.uk

Latest Covid 19 info

He had been put onto a covid19 ward even though he tested negative! I don't doubt it happens. I'm sure virtually any combination of stupid things will be happening, but I'm sure it's not policy (it would be bad for the diabetes teams in hospitals, since surely they'd usually be working in the...
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TeeGee said:
Are you able to link where you got this information from?
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This is the link to DUKs latest updated report
www.diabetes.org.uk

Coronavirus and diabetes updates

All the coronavirus information below applies to the whole of the UK, unless specified. We've noted where are some differences in guidance and diabetes services across the UK.
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SB2015 said:
This is the link to DUKs latest updated report
www.diabetes.org.uk

Coronavirus and diabetes updates

All the coronavirus information below applies to the whole of the UK, unless specified. We've noted where are some differences in guidance and diabetes services across the UK.
www.diabetes.org.uk www.diabetes.org.uk
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I could be wrong but I’m almost certain that this hasn’t been updated since yesterday’s deaths information was released. Maybe somebody from DUK could clarify either way please.
 
We now know there is only a 75% of recovery for diabetics that get covid (BBC QuestionTime last night). Recovery will worsen with increased age of course. This will add to the danger of working with children who are great carriers.

I am also in a 'should return to work now' group feeling the pressure with the law not on my side. I think social distancing measures that have been introduced to schools and businesses are not very effective. Coughs and sneezes will fill a work room regardless of protective screens and the 2 metre rule. Temperature checks before entering work are not accurate enough. You can still be infected and develop a temperature later, or carry without having a temperature. I listened to the health adviser on Question Time clearly stating stay in for now. Boris says he always goes on advise given by health professionals. But obviously they are his health professionals and he is not listening to the one last night on BBC. Don't forget it was his health advisor telling thousands of us to catch the virus for herd immunity like some nasty nazi experiment.

Boris wants us back to work to get the country earning. Why has it taken this long to release the 75% survival rate for diabetics and all other conditions? Rather than put people with health conditions through such anxiety would it not have been more humane to ask people to return to work based on survival rate, and also wait for the apps to come out and do their stuff, and wait for tests for everyone, and the vaccine coming out. None of these methods will be long now.
 
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Keith McMillan said:
We now know there is only a 75% of recovery for diabetics that get covid (BBC QuestionTime last night).
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Sorry, I did not watch QT, so perhaps this is something else, but if this comes from the 25% of those who died with (but not necessarily of) coronavirus also having diabetes, then it seems a totally false deduction. 75% of those who died did not have diabetes, the figures given don't relate to the chance of recovery for a diabetic.
 
silentsquirrel said:
Sorry, I did not watch QT, so perhaps this is something else, but if this comes from the 25% of those who died with (but not necessarily of) coronavirus also having diabetes, then it seems a totally false deduction. 75% of those who died did not have diabetes, the figures given don't relate to the chance of recovery for a diabetic.
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OK let's wait and see if this figure will be checked later, but surely return to work should be based on the mortality rates Vs different conditions. At the moment there is a centre gound of people who are vulnerable and very anxious.
 
Did not watch question time either - I avoid those types of programme because what you generally get are spokesmen peddling whatever story the organisation they belong to wants promulgating combined with a broadcaster anxious for sensational stuff that will up their ratings. Not a good place to get reasoned and balanced analysis.
 
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