whole milk

Welcome to the Forum, @Jugged. Great answer from @rebrascora, full of little pearls.

42 Factors affecting our BG ....​
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200 extra daily decisions ....​
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Do ask questions, none are stupid; most of us arrive here very overwhelmed by the complexity of it all.

I found Gary Scheiner's book "Think Like a Pancreas" informative, helpful and an easy read. Scheiner quite early on comments that Diabetes is Complicated, Confusing and Contradictory. I fully agree with that and might add that it's also frightening, at first. But as Barbara also said, it does get easier.
 
If whole milk is a no-no for Type 1 diabetes, pretty amazing that no-one's ever mentioned it to me since 1972, isn't it? I used it then and still using it now and at least right now, I still appear to be OK !
 
trophywench said:
If whole milk is a no-no for Type 1 diabetes, pretty amazing that no-one's ever mentioned it to me since 1972, isn't it? I used it then and still using it now and at least right now, I still appear to be OK !
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They had gold top in 1972 - which I hated! I think it was something like 'double whole milk'.
 
CliffH said:
They had gold top in 1972 - which I hated! I think it was something like 'double whole milk'.
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Was Gold top Channel islands milk? It was extra creamy, anyway. These days it’s hard to find milk that hasn’t been homogenised, but when I was a child, the silver top whole milk had a thick layer of cream on top, which my mother used to pour off carefully and use on puddings instead of buying a pot of cream; we always referred to it as 'top of the milk'
As both my parents lived to be 94, it can’t have been that bad for them!
 
Robin said:
Was Gold top Channel islands milk? It was extra creamy, anyway. These days it’s hard to find milk that hasn’t been homogenised, but when I was a child, the silver top whole milk had a thick layer of cream on top, which my mother used to pour off carefully and use on puddings instead of buying a pot of cream; we always referred to it as 'top of the milk'
As both my parents lived to be 94, it can’t have been that bad for them!
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I always thought of it as "extra nasty". My mother thought it was good for us and in those days there were no Social Workers to stop her giving it to us :(.
 
CliffH said:
I always thought of it as "extra nasty". My mother thought it was good for us and in those days there were no Social Workers to stop her giving it to us :(.
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What was extra nasty for me was the school milk, in 1/3pint bottles, that we were forced to consume at break when it had been sitting by the warm radiator in the classroom all morning.
 
Robin said:
What was extra nasty for me was the school milk, in 1/3pint bottles, that we were forced to consume at break when it had been sitting by the warm radiator in the classroom all morning.
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I grew up in London and so the milk was rancid in both summer and winter. Stopping it was the one good thing that 'Thatcher, Thatcher, milk snatcher' did.
 
CliffH said:
I grew up in London and so the milk was rancid in both summer and winter. Stopping it was the one good thing that 'Thatcher, Thatcher, milk snatcher' did.
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Good grief - no way would my mother ever have stood for rancid milk - I don't believe I've ever seen such a thing either at school home or anyone elses home. Delivered every morning normally before 8am, collected off the front step and instantly into the white enamel what had previously been the family's nappy, bucket of cold water on the steps inside the pantry door, with a wet teatowel over the top of the bottle dangling into the cold water in warm weather, other weather just stood on the step.
 
trophywench said:
Good grief - no way would my mother ever have stood for rancid milk - I don't believe I've ever seen such a thing either at school home or anyone elses home. Delivered every morning normally before 8am, collected off the front step and instantly into the white enamel what had previously been the family's nappy, bucket of cold water on the steps inside the pantry door, with a wet teatowel over the top of the bottle dangling into the cold water in warm weather, other weather just stood on the step.
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Lol: I need to apologise to my mother! It was only the school milk that was rancid.
 
I loved our little bottles of school milk, full cream (not sure semi skimmed was around then), especially on cold days. But I digress

As others have said @Jugged with T1 you just need a normal healthy diet. Eat what you enjoy and you will gradually get a vast knowledge of the carbs in the foods that you eat most often, focusing on all the carbs not the ‘of which sugar’. For other things a pair of scales can be useful or the packaging.

You mention that exercise is a bit of a problem. That is not uncommon especially at the start, because you are likely to still be in the honeymoon period, where your remaining beta cells decide to chuck out some insulin at read on times without warning. Even once things settle it is a case of trial and improvement to sort out the best way of dealing with exercise.

Do you have a half unit pen for your insulins. These are so helpful as they enable you to make smaller adjustments to your doses, which is especially useful in the early stages.

Being diagnosed at any age is overwhelming. I am pleased that you have found the forum. Just ask any questions that arise and tap into the wealth of experience available on here. I look forward to hearing more from you.
 
Robin said:
What was extra nasty for me was the school milk, in 1/3pint bottles, that we were forced to consume at break when it had been sitting by the warm radiator in the classroom all morning.
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We had to endure that in one of the schools I went to....so I feel your pain @Robin.
 
Those little bottles of milk were truly revolting especially in the winter as the crate was put on the hearth where there was a coal fire in the classroom (well guarded).
There was gold top which was Jersey milk, really creamy, silver top, where the cream came to the top and you had to sake the bottle to mix and red top which was homogenised so no creamy layer and then the disgusting sterilised milk in a long necked bottle with a beer bottle type cap.
Unless you took the milk in quickly the birds pecked the foil caps and in the winter the milk froze and pushed up the foil which sat on top of a column of frozen milk.
 
Leadinglights said:
Those little bottles of milk were truly revolting especially in the winter as the crate was put on the hearth where there was a coal fire in the classroom (well guarded).
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Our were left outside and we went out and sat on a long bench to drink our milk. Deliciously cold creamy milk.

We have recently started having milk delivered in Litre bottles, and there is that ‘top of the milk’ again. Such a treat first thing in the morning.
 
Freshly picked truly ripe raspberries with top of the milk - delish memory from childhood!

I was gobsmacked to discover when I was approx 15 that the taste of neat sterilised milk is very 'thin' in comparison to the taste of ordinary pasteurised and now I'd say it had the mouth feel of skimmed milk - BUT not a hint of the odd taste it imparted to tea - and was really great to make milk puddings with - they tasted much creamier than made with pasteurised.
 
We spent 10 days in a hotel in Jersey last month. Only Jersey milk is available as fresh milk in Jersey I loved my fresh, whole milk (gold top equivalent) and a daily small jug of double cream: for my fruit and yoghurt and a generous splash in my latte. I carried a small carton of longish date double cream home and the transit movement alone turned it into fully clotted fresh cream.

I don't think any Jersey milk is exported anymore; not even to the mainland here in GB. EEC legislation killed that trade. Our Official Tourist Guide, ironically to me a German lady, told us that about a decade ago the communal single Jersey Dairy milk processing unit almost went bankrupt because the business was barely sustainable. No idea who salvaged the business, but it was sucessfully supplying milk around the island last month!
 
There is a Jersey herd about 5 miles from me and the owners sell their unpasteurised milk in the farm shop/ice cream parlour. I was brought up on unpasteurised/unhomogenised milk so I don't worry about the health warning that it has to carry and I treat myself when I am passing, but can't justify the fuel to make it a regular purchase.
 
rebrascora said:
There is a Jersey herd about 5 miles from me and the owners sell their unpasteurised milk in the farm shop/ice cream parlour. I was brought up on unpasteurised/unhomogenised milk so I don't worry about the health warning that it has to carry and I treat myself when I am passing, but can't justify the fuel to make it a regular purchase.
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Came across a similar set up near me back in the summer, take your own container or sold in a bottle.
It made lovely custard.
 
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