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What are the metabolic pathways for diabetes type 2

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As far as I'm aware, they are not..... However if you opt for very low carb then fats will be broken down into Ketone Bodies & that's what you will user for energy rather than glucose
 
Sheesh. Best of luck with that question, slijper.

Is fatty acids and protein metabolism altered in T2 ? Not in any books I’ve read. It’s bad enough as it is without buggering that up as well.:D
 
42?
 
Now that the title of topic has changed, my response will. As there are countless thousands of metabolic pathways rumbling along inside our bodies, most are a mystery. The ones in T2 diabetes relate to uptake of insulin by the cells in the body, or the inefficient production of sufficient insulin. When you get into full blown metabolic syndrome it gets horribly complicated.

You don’t need to know it, you just need to know how to put it right.
 
Well, they're different to none type 2's.

But if you can do the Newcastle diet, I can say they seem to get back to normal.
For me at least.
 
Exactly, travellor, just what I said. All you need to know is how to put it right.
 
Nothing wrong with my metabolism - it is the modern diet which is wrong.
 
Drummer said:
Nothing wrong with my metabolism - it is the modern diet which is wrong.
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Thinking about it, we all agree, carbs make you fat, fat doesn't make you fat.
All calories aren't equal?

So, primitive man used to lay on body fat to live off over winter, and to help keep warm.
So, primitive diet had to be carb heavy, or they would have died out from not putting on reserves for winter.
So, we evolved on a high carb diet, as we needed the body fat, and high carb have to be the only way to survive.
Modern diet, with continuous plentiful food all year, constant heat, and we can afford to be high fat, and not layer up the body fat.
So LCHF must be a very new, none evolutionary diet, and not something we evolved to be sustainable with?

Or am I missing the missing link in this?
 
travellor said:
Well, none diabetics manage to do ok on it.
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Exactly. If by the term 'modern' diet it means eating tons of c**p along with no exercise I agree. If the issue is simply about carbohydrates then people have been eating them quite happily for a very long time without problem. Quantity and balance of food along with sedentary lifestyles is the modern problem.
 
travellor said:
Thinking about it, we all agree, carbs make you fat, fat doesn't make you fat.
All calories aren't equal?

So, primitive man used to lay on body fat to live off over winter, and to help keep warm.
So, primitive diet had to be carb heavy, or they would have died out from not putting on reserves for winter.
So, we evolved on a high carb diet, as we needed the body fat, and high carb have to be the only way to survive.
Modern diet, with continuous plentiful food all year, constant heat, and we can afford to be high fat, and not layer up the body fat.
So LCHF must be a very new, none evolutionary diet, and not something we evolved to be sustainable with?

Or am I missing the missing link in this?
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Both excess Carbs & Fats get stored in the body for later use, that's why (if we are on LCHF) we can adjust the macronutrient ratio to add in more fat to increase weight or remove it to lose weight. LCHF diets are just exploiting the bodies natural ability to process fats for energy rather than carbs (the bodies first choice).... Our problem is that we can't metabolize glucose efficiently hence leading to increasing levels of BG, cut carbs out our diet & that helps with part of the problem.

Found an interesting WEB page which is worth a read https://www.livestrong.com/article/527281-does-the-body-store-fat-like-carbohydrates/
 
Any carbs primitive man consumed were in their natural state as presented - nuts, berries, drupes, legumes etc cos nobody processed anything - did they even cook the woolly mammoth etc steaks some of them ate at that time?

The earliest grain is said to have been spelt but it still wouldn't be processed to any degree we now consider necessary, nor would it have had things added to it, except water presumably.

Plenty of fibre I'd think - which is so missing from people's normal diets they invented things like All Bran to try and encourage folk to eat more ..... instead of making eg cabbage etc the 'in' thing to eat!
 
The answer, Jenny, is in the teeth. Yes, they did cook meat because it’s easier to chew with our dentition, and they did process cereal seeds and others by grinding them down, as they didn’t have herbivorous type dentition.

They also discovered that if you leave certain types of fruit hanging on the tree, they fermented into an interesting goop.:confused:
 
Matt Cycle said:
Exactly. If by the term 'modern' diet it means eating tons of c**p along with no exercise I agree. If the issue is simply about carbohydrates then people have been eating them quite happily for a very long time without problem. Quantity and balance of food along with sedentary lifestyles is the modern problem.
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Definitely the lack of exercise that did for me.
And the quantity of food I ate!
 
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