Vaccine failures

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...which is all explained in the article. No more than the expected failure rate after one dose of the vaccine, and the death rate is unsurprising in the frail elderly. Nowt to worry about, except for the implicit warning that after only one dose you are not fully protected.
 
But a good reminder to those who expect it to work miracles that it doesn't do that we should continue to be careful where we can.
 
More than 500 people who received their coronavirus jabs have been admitted to hospital with Covid-19, a UK study has found.

The study found a total of 526 people were admitted to hospital and 113 people died in what the research team called “vaccine failures”.

more about this -

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/covid-vaccine-uk-500-admitted-hospital-b932792.html
Is this the same study that was reported in the mirror just two weeks ago that said it was only 32 people who were hospitalised who had had a covid vaccine, has it now risen to 526 people in the same small study?


This report says that 1 in 14 people hospitalised with covid19 have been vaccinated. That seems quite high.

 
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There seemed to be an attitude among some people that once they had had the jab they could behave as normal but it was pointed out that it would take several weeks to build up immunity and not even fully until the second jab.
There was nothing that would show that all the people getting the jab had not already contracted the virus beforehand.
Caution is still the name of the game and for sometime to come I fear.
It is heart breaking what is happening in India.
 
This report says that 1 in 14 people hospitalised with covid19 have been vaccinated. That seems quite high.
According to the story, "the majority would have been infected shortly before or soon after their first COVID jab". Even without that, 1 in 14 doesn't seem high to me: "13 out of 14 hospitalised patients were unvaccinated" seems like a good sales pitch for the vaccine.
 
there is wrong information been given out some where. i had a carer here for my partner who had the vaccine and she was in the assumption that she couldn't catch covid after been vaccinated.

for anyone having the vaccine it does not stop you getting covid it helps you to try and fight off the virus a bit better.
 
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for anyone having the vaccine it does not stop you getting covid it helps you to try and fight off the virus a bit better.
Your not wrong their.
I have my shopping delivered and some of the delivery people (most are careful) try to stand far too close .
 
According to the story, "the majority would have been infected shortly before or soon after their first COVID jab". Even without that, 1 in 14 doesn't seem high to me: "13 out of 14 hospitalised patients were unvaccinated" seems like a good sales pitch for the vaccine.
The figure 1 in 14 may sound quite impressive to some, but that may only be the result of a combined 1st vaccine AND prior infection and NOT the vaccine on it's own.

"One dose without prior infection “does look very very feeble, especially against new variants,” said Danny Altmann, professor of immunology at Imperial. “Our message would be hold on in there until you get your second dose.” But, Altmann added, prior infection coupled with a single shot of the vaccine elicited a “stupendous reaction”. “Prior infection rescues your response against variants,” he said.

 
The article suggests people are to blame for their covid infections by letting their "guard down", but if the virus was caught as a result of going for their vaccine and being exposed to others (end to end process as they put it), that's hardly the case is it. It wouldn't suprise me if many of these people had been very careful and had even been shielding or isolating prior to getting the vaccine.
 
The article suggests people are to blame for their covid infections by letting their "guard down", but if the virus was caught as a result of going for their vaccine and being exposed to others (end to end process as they put it), that's hardly the case is it. It wouldn't suprise me if many of these people had been very careful and had even been shielding or isolating prior to getting the vaccine.
Often what we hear in the news reports or articles is a superficial or incomplete representation of the facts or somebody putting a particular spin on it to either scaremonger or glaze over the real issues.
 
To be honest, so many of the studies around at the moment are small. Smaller studies can return very skewed results, simply because the participants were not representative of the population as a whole.

I think we each accept, or decline any form of treatment or intervention with ourselves in mind (naturally enough).

Of course there are views that this vaccine has been rushed, or all that is missing from the lead time in this vaccine has been the begging bowl phases, trying to achieve funding for the next part, but whatever it is, people must decide for themselves and won the risk they are taking - by receiving or declining the vaccine/treatment/op/tablets - whatever.

Some are taking this vaccine in the belief it will help drive down the quantum of disease out there, and protect themselves at the same time. Some are taking it because they want to go on holiday. Some because they are concerned for vulnerable family members and some are taking it (sometimes reluctantly) because they believe it is only a matter of time before their employment will be at risk (both in the NHS and public sector).

To my view, societally, we are in a very complex place at the moment - split between those busting to go back to "normal" and others really not looking forward to "normal", and likely will never recover from this pandemic - whether or not they experienced COVID themselves.

Only with a few years under our belt will be know who and what was really right to do, but like in all scenarios we can choose to do something or nothing.

For me, I'll read these reports and read some studies, but I won the decisions I have made for myself, and respect what others around me have decided for themselves, whether or not I necessarily agree with it.
 
This all seems to be good news as far as I'm concerned and we speed on as per schedule for re-opening everything again in 2 months.

I suspect we'll never get rid of covid and cases will fluctuate but that's not the point. The only thing that matters is that the link between cases rising and deaths/hospitalisations also rising a few weeks later appears to be broken.

Covid will simply be added to the huge list of things which will kill some people each year and the rest of us will quite rightly move on with normal life as before.
This last year has bred a fear in people of both normal life returning and vaccines which is ridiculously out of proportion to the risks involved and in an ideal world, heads would roll for that - maybe we'll see the end of print media following their disgraceful behaviour. It really beggars belief that they have focussed on the 1 in 14 who die rather than celebrating the 13 in 14 who don't. But wallowing in endless negativity, self pity and self loathing seems to be something us Brits want to be world leaders in. 🙂

It does very much look like we're reaching the point of moving back to normal though. Whether that ends up being 21st June or a bit later remains to be seen but we won't be under restrictions for much longer. We can't afford to be. Those who want to voluntarily continue to isolate, wear masks and keep their distance can continue to do so but the rest of us will be moving on.
 
And as regards the 1 in 14, it's not even 1 in 14 who are dying. It's 1 in 14 going to hospital. Almost all of those will survive the virus.

This is just fear mongering nonsense by the press and it needs to stop.
 
And as regards the 1 in 14, it's not even 1 in 14 who are dying. It's 1 in 14 going to hospital. Almost all of those will survive the virus.

This is just fear mongering nonsense by the press and it needs to stop.
..... and exactly what an awful lot of 'meeja' has been doing since day one. 13 people survived is not a sensational headline so nobody will cast more than a glance at it .......
 
The figure 1 in 14 may sound quite impressive to some, but that may only be the result of a combined 1st vaccine AND prior infection and NOT the vaccine on it's own.
We've no information on that.

I suspect had the study been comparing people who'd been taking vitamin D supplements (and Zinc, if you like) and that had shown a similar effect then that would be (rightly) being promoted as a wonderful result indicating that those things should immediately be taken by everyone. (Whether or not the effect might possibly have been partly due to prior infection.)

The vaccines work. We just need to take them.
 
..... and exactly what an awful lot of 'meeja' has been doing since day one. 13 people survived is not a sensational headline so nobody will cast more than a glance at it .......
I think it is a sensational headline though.
That's the odd thing. After a year of crap I'd have thought this would have made a great headline. Vaccines have absolutely smoked this virus so far and you'd think that was a great story to tell. A time of joy, relief and celebration. Just in time for summer too. Apparently not though.
 
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The article suggests people are to blame for their covid infections by letting their "guard down", but if the virus was caught as a result of going for their vaccine and being exposed to others (end to end process as they put it), that's hardly the case is it.

Why would you think that people are catching covid from the vaccination centres?
There's no evidence of that whatsoever is there?

Supermarkets are going to be a bigger problem if "problem" is really the right word to describe the rapidly dwindling number of cases we are seeing and the precipitous drop in deaths and hospitalisations.

On a side note, we have vaccinations which are smoking this virus, cases are falling through the floor and deaths/hospitalisations are almost zero statistically but it seems that people are more scared than ever. What on earth is going on? I am genuinely struggling to understand this.
 
Why would you think that people are catching covid from the vaccination centres?
There's no evidence of that whatsoever is there?
Supermarkets are going to be a bigger problem if "problem" is really the right word to describe the rapidly dwindling number of cases we are seeing and the precipitous drop in deaths and hospitalisations.

On a side note, we have vaccinations which are smoking this virus, cases are falling through the floor and deaths/hospitalisations are almost zero statistically but it seems that people are more scared than ever. What on earth is going on? I am genuinely struggling to understand this.
My experience of the vaccination centre I went to was there was far greater social distancing than was evident at the G P surgery where my OH went for his. 2 G P surgeries and the pharmacy all sharing a single way in and out into a small lobby.
It will be interesting to see the effect of the mass social event experiment in Liverpool going on this weekend.
 
My experience of the vaccination centre I went to was there was far greater social distancing than was evident at the G P surgery where my OH went for his. 2 G P surgeries and the pharmacy all sharing a single way in and out into a small lobby.
It will be interesting to see the effect of the mass social event experiment in Liverpool going on this weekend.
Yes, that was my experience as well.
The only person who got within 3 metres of me was the nurse injecting me.

I'm pretty confident there will be absolutely no outbreak from that Liverpool experiment in the same way that the crowds at the various protests and vigils over the year also caused no outbreaks. Then you can add in the zero outbreaks after all the endless park parties and crowds at beach. It seems that being outside causes no significant transmission at all and there seems to be a growing number of studies confirming this. I don't know what more the government need here. I can only assume they are trying to cover their own backsides. In Scotland, it seems we are content to let England do all the research and trials work for us. The lack of genuine leadership anywhere is breathtaking.

I'm wondering whether it's going to require mass civil disobedience to bring this nonsense to an end, such as nightclubs and football clubs deciding to open grounds to fans regardless of the rules, people refusing to wear masks anymore and businesses no longer enforcing social distancing. It's going to be an interesting summer.
 
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