Vaccination Side Effects

[ColinUK]

Good grief, all these headaches! My brother says just don't have the Russian one! 🙄

Cuba are developing their own. I think it comes with cigars and rum.

 

[ColinUK]

That's interesting. I know there's been discussion about this at the company I work for with no decision, and so far they're not even sure whether asking would be legal or not. (And anyway, they're fine with everyone WFH for now.)

Companies drafting 'no jab, no job' contracts to get staff vaccinated


https://mol.im/a/9267873

 

[grovesy]

Good grief, all these headaches! My brother says just don't have the Russian one! 🙄

We have not bought the Russian one, yet!

 

[grovesy]

It’s legal for it to be inserted into the terms of employment. Just as it’s legal to say no smoking whilst on company business anywhere.

It’s likely to be tested in the courts at some stage I guess.

I am sure I heard this been discussed and I am sure the lawyer said it was not legal.

 

[ColinUK]

I am sure I heard this been discussed and I am sure the lawyer said it was not legal.

Pimlico plumbers have already made the adjustment and the lawyers have said it’s legal.
SAGA have said nobody’s booking a holiday with then workout proof of vaccination.
Cinema chains are about to announce that proof of vaccination will be needed to enter their venues.
Sports stadia are rumoured to be doing the same.

It’s not at all unreasonable for employers to insist that staff are vaccinated and it will be a condition of employment for most in a short time I expect

 

[grovesy]

Pimlico plumbers have already made the adjustment and the lawyers have said it’s legal.
SAGA have said nobody’s booking a holiday with then workout proof of vaccination.
Cinema chains are about to announce that proof of vaccination will be needed to enter their venues.
Sports stadia are rumoured to be doing the same.

It’s not at all unreasonable for employers to insist that staff are vaccinated and it will be a condition of employment for most in a short time I expect

Well I suspect if you are going overseas for holidays countries are going to want vaccination for visitors. Though most of the world won't be vaccinated by the summer. Our vaccination card does not even have our names on it and it just like a standard business card.
The vaccine is not proven yet to stop spread of the virus.
I can't see how Cinema's and Stadium's can can enforce it when supermarkets can't with mask wearing.

 

[mikeydt1]

it is all about enforcing a new vaccination on people where as people should all ways be given a choice. no wonder people are beginning to feel like they are living in a communist state instead of a democratic country. freedom is been taken away from people by enforcing this.

i am with you on this grovesy there is no data to backup that a single dose is even effective

 

[Robin]

If you allow people freedom of choice over whether they have the vaccine and continue to work, say, in a care home, where is the freedom of choice for the residents who have no option but to be exposed to a non-vaccinated, potentially Covid carrying carer? (You may say that, well, the resident should be vaccinated themselves if they want to stay safe, but we know that some people won’t be protected even if they’ve had the jab, because no vaccine is 100% effective, but vaccinating both carer and resident cuts down that risk to the minimum possible)

 

[grovesy]

I have just remembered I heard a caller on a radio phone in yesterday, for health reasons they can't have the vaccine.

 

[mikeyB]

it is all about enforcing a new vaccination on people where as people should all ways be given a choice. no wonder people are beginning to feel like they are living in a communist state instead of a democratic country. freedom is been taken away from people by enforcing this.

i am with you on this grovesy there is no data to backup that a single dose is even effective

Well, in Australia children aren’t allowed into state schools unless they have had the usual childhood immunisations. It’s also compulsory to vote. Last time I looked, Australia wasn’t a communist state.

And I keep saying this - temporary fever and and aches and so forth are perfectly normal after an immunisation. It’s caused by your body producing loads of antibodies to fight off the perceived infection. As in a normal illness, this can raise your temperature and give you symptoms of a genuine illness, but it is only temporary. If you don’t get such “side effects”, it may mean your immune system is a bit limp.

So, please, can we stop moaning about these “side effects”. These effects are completely harmless and last a day or so. If the immunisation becomes annual, like flu vaccine, this kind of reaction will diminish.

 

[Robin]

I have just remembered I heard a caller on a radio phone in yesterday, for health reasons they can't have the vaccine.

If it’s for health reasons, it should be treated the same as a disability discrimination, and arrangements made for the person to be able to do their job with as much mitigation of risk possible. (and the risk works both ways, both the risk of the unvaccinated person catching it at work and being very ill themselves, or catching it outside work and passing it on). But even for general disabilities, there are some instances where reasonable adjustments can’t be made, and it has to be said that a particular role just isn’t suitable. Whether, say, working face to face with a vulnerable person who for health reasons can’t have the jab, you could make a case for the carer needing to have had one, remains to be seen.

 

[MarkGeordie]

I'm pretty much recovered today.

I slept a lot! 1pm to 5pm yesterday afternoon and then I feel back asleep about 9pm until 10.30am this morning.

Headache, shivering, chills, etc have gone.

I still feel a bit run down. Plus my arm is still sore and tender.

Worrying thing is, I've now developed diarrhoea.

So now im thinking, was it a reaction to the vaccine, is it just a bug, or something else and maybe it was just a coincidence.

 

[ColinUK]

it is all about enforcing a new vaccination on people where as people should all ways be given a choice. no wonder people are beginning to feel like they are living in a communist state instead of a democratic country. freedom is been taken away from people by enforcing this.

i am with you on this grovesy there is no data to backup that a single dose is even effective

It’s patently untrue that a single dose of vaccine isn’t effective.

 

[Bloden]

Good grief, all these headaches! My brother says just don't have the Russian one! 🙄

They reckon it’s the most efficient one - and it’s called Sputnik, what’s not to like, he-he. 😛

 

[ColinUK]

They reckon it’s the most efficient one - and it’s called Sputnik, what’s not to like, he-he. 😛

As long as it’s not the one Putin is always hoping his enemies get....!

 

[Josh DUK]

Well I suspect if you are going overseas for holidays countries are going to want vaccination for visitors. Though most of the world won't be vaccinated by the summer. Our vaccination card does not even have our names on it and it just like a standard business card.
The vaccine is not proven yet to stop spread of the virus.
I can't see how Cinema's and Stadium's can can enforce it when supermarkets can't with mask wearing.

it is all about enforcing a new vaccination on people where as people should all ways be given a choice. no wonder people are beginning to feel like they are living in a communist state instead of a democratic country. freedom is been taken away from people by enforcing this.

i am with you on this grovesy there is no data to backup that a single dose is even effective

I thought I would share some information regarding the vaccine.

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I would highly encourage everyone to read the link below regarding the first doses of the different vaccines. Each vaccine shows a high percentage of effectiveness protecting people against developing coronavirus in the first dose.

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[MarkGeordie]

Could we get this back on topic please.

 

[Drummer]

I'm pretty much recovered today.

I slept a lot! 1pm to 5pm yesterday afternoon and then I feel back asleep about 9pm until 10.30am this morning.

Headache, shivering, chills, etc have gone.

I still feel a bit run down. Plus my arm is still sore and tender.

Worrying thing is, I've now developed diarrhoea.

So now im thinking, was it a reaction to the vaccine, is it just a bug, or something else and maybe it was just a coincidence.

That happened to me - it was just a brief visitation, and I am actually feeling rather better than usual now, just under a week from having the jab.

 

[ColinUK]

Feeling rough. Arm hurts and feel like I’ve been hit with a flu truck.
Couldn’t stay awake yesterday on the sofa and took myself to bed at 9:30 - stirred at about 1:30 but then zonked out again until about 7:45

Apparently I’m ticking all the likely main side effects But the expectation is that they will ease off today.
Taking ibuprofen and paracodeine to make things easier.

Recall the first flu jab I had and I was laid low for two days and then was absolutely fine. Never had even the slightest issue from any other jab so I’m hopeful that this too will pass.

 

[MarkGeordie]

I felt exactly that.

I'm fully recovered today.