Threat To Our Rights To Drive

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Elissa said:
It's absolutely ridiculous and maybe you all shouldn't be so complacent that this directive is not going to be used against you in some way in the future.
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I'm not being complacent, I don't drive, never have. I was actually agreeing though that diabetics seem to be unfairly targeted in this new legislation. But as a lifelong non-driver I think it's a bit overstated to consider ift a 'human right' - to me that tends to trivialise what real human rights are about. I don;t mind you disagreeing with me though, as I can't consider it from a driver's persective.
 
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Northerner said:
I'm not being complacent, I don't drive, never have. I was actually agreeing though that diabetics seem to be unfairly targeted in this new legislation. But as a lifelong non-driver I think it's a bit overstated to consider ift a 'human right' - to me that tends to trivialise what real human rights are about. I don;t mind you disagreeing with me though, as I can't consider it from a driver's persective.
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that is fine northener as a non-driver you would not feel it is taking away a liberty from you, however for all the others who do drive, it is one of my human rights for freedom of movement that I have been accustomed to for 35 years, also for work purposes during those 35 years, in no way does that trivialise *human rights* if I consider that my freedom of movement is to be curtailed by not being able to drive and perhaps my livelihood also. Only recently the transport minister made an announcement that when the Olympic Games are on next summer, people must endeavour, not to use public transport to get to work...so where does that leave the people !
 
I've seen some chatter on FB about this over the last few days and I gatehr that it may have been inaccurately reported in some newspapers (there's a surprise). Someone has posted to say that they have called the DVLA today for clarification and were told this does not affect cars, only drivers of larger vehicles.

DUK have a post about it where they express concerns over lack of clarity, but that also seems to support this info. It sounds like unless you want to drive an HGV or bus it will be pretty much business as usual. (our licenses have always been only granted on the basis that our control/warning signs are good enough after all).

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/News_Landing_Page/Driving-and-diabetes/
 
Thanks for clarifying Mike. Will take a look around in a bit.

I disagree that driving is a human right. It is a necessity for many and the only of getting to work or shops.

That said, if you were to become unpredictable due to unexpected or undetectable hypos then you would be a menace to other road users and should be banned for a period until that situation is reversed. It's been that way for epileptics for decades.

The thing that I object to is the way they've seemingly gone for 2 severe hypos in 12 moths, which a newly diagnosed diabetic could suffer if they took their eye off the ball but probably not while driving.

The advisory abou testing before driving and eating if below 5, etc should be enough to cover it.

Rob
 
Back in the 90's, the EU were ready to issue a directive that anyone who's deaf or hard of hearing would be banned from driving. My mother, who is deaf, banded together with other deaf drivers and joined the Institute of Advenced Motorists and the Rospa Advanced Drivers Association. A whole string of awards later, I think it's safe to say she has succesfully stuck two fingers up at the EU. If the deaf can do that, why not Diabetics?
 
thanks !!!

a big thanks to Sue and Mike for the latest articles and chatter about this whole confusion, feeling better now about the whole thing 🙄
 
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Robster65 said:
That said, if you were to become unpredictable due to unexpected or undetectable hypos then you would be a menace to other road users and should be banned for a period until that situation is reversed. It's been that way for epileptics for decades.
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I totally agree with this, I already stated that if a diabetic has no internal warning signals and suffers serious hypos, this is absolutely a danger...
 
From my understanding it is not a life ban but a 12 month band and then you can reapply. I feel what Zuckerkranke said it maybe worth getting together a campaign and people writing to their MEPs etc. Getting backing. from Diabcetes tUK aend JDRF etc.

Marc
 
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The only thing I have concern with is the phrase "hypo requiring the assistance of a second person" This IMHO is far too vauge. If, as has been said elsewhere, assistance really does mean "to activly administer a carbohydrate substance then fair enough. My problem is that if one was otherwise cabable and someone else (a first aider at work for example) gave me say a bar of chocolate, which I ate unaided by myself, would that be classed as assistance when the incident was logged in the accident book?

Other then above I am reasonably in agreement with the new proposals although the "night time" situ as flagged by others on here is also a concern
 
If your 1st aider gave you a bar of chocolate for hypo treatment then I would suggest retraining 🙄
Please do read the links to the definition of assisted hypo, then you will find your fears unfounded.
 
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