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The Truth About Carbs

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Maz2 said:
Am about halfway through it and very impressed with it. Let's hope all the advice about eating carbs, carbs, carbs, goes out of the window. I used to eat jacket potatoes every day before I went pre-diabetic and came on here to find out that it was not good to be constantly eating sandwiches, breakfast cereal, potatoes, pasta and rice. Jacket potatoes - equivalent to 19 sugar cubes, almost as much as two chocolate muffins!!!! (agh).

Was not aware that toasting bread from freezing was beneficial or cooking, cooling and then re-heating the pasta and rice. Very informative programme.

I got out of pre-diabetes but back in it again so will battle on.
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I'm just wondering how you toast frozen bread without individuallly wrapping each slice...
 
travellor said:
I can't comment on others, but even the eatwell plate is a high fibre low GI option if you look at it.
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My personal experience is that if I ate to the eatwell plate then my BG will begin to rise... I can see that it's fine for a non-diabetic but as a humble T2 my body reacts best to omitting the carbs.
 
Martin9 said:
I'm just wondering how you toast frozen bread without individuallly wrapping each slice...
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I put 2 slices into a plastic bag & use the frozen setting on my toaster, 2 slices of kingsmill no crusts is a little bit sticky but, pries apart easier than a whole loaf! I don’t like crusts so, maybe bread with crusts is easier!
 
I have split a loaf into 2 slice packs in freezer bags and frozen it that way.
 
Lanny said:
I put 2 slices into a plastic bag & use the frozen setting on my toaster, 2 slices of kingsmill no crusts is a little bit sticky but, pries apart easier than a whole loaf! I don’t like crusts so, maybe bread with crusts is easier!
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Toast on the Frozen setting Lanny? Is that the best setting. I was just going to wap in it high lol
Thanks for that
 
Lanny said:
I put 2 slices into a plastic bag & use the frozen setting on my toaster, 2 slices of kingsmill no crusts is a little bit sticky but, pries apart easier than a whole loaf! I don’t like crusts so, maybe bread with crusts is easier!
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Gosh, a frozen setting? Ours is basically on or off :D

Actually I normally toast from frozen (it's no hassle) as I tend to bulk buy when I happen to see Burgen, Hovis or whatever, so I just get out the slices as I require them. I didn't know it was more beneficial though until this programme said it!
 
Only £16 at tesco, their own brand, & the best one I’ve ever had! Works a treat: no need to whack the the dial up & down just set it to your normal setting & then press the frozen button after lowering the bread. It adds the perfect extra time to toast as if you hadn’t frozen it! Prior to this; I never knew you could do that either! :D
 
Having attended a DESMOND course yesterday, I'd say health professionals have still got a long way to go. The course offered very sound medical information, delivered by, I have to say, a very nice but very overweight nurse who probably did her training in the 50s. I have a problem with health professionals who dole out advice they are clearly not following themselves. I thought the dietary advice was a bit off whack - all about lowering fat and calories and nothing about the effect of carbs. I asked the trainer what she thought about the new research on low carb, short term low cal diet studies and she dismissed them as being too miserable.🙄 I felt people could have been better informed ...
 
Ruby/London said:
Having attended a DESMOND course yesterday, I'd say health professionals have still got a long way to go. The course offered very sound medical information, delivered by, I have to say, a very nice but very overweight nurse who probably did her training in the 50s. I have a problem with health professionals who dole out advice they are clearly not following themselves. I thought the dietary advice was a bit off whack - all about lowering fat and calories and nothing about the effect of carbs. I asked the trainer what she thought about the new research on low carb, short term low cal diet studies and she dismissed them as being too miserable.🙄 I felt people could have been better informed ...
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I think you're being very diplomatic there Ruby...the one I attended was abysmal...an absolute waste of time.
 
Ruby/London said:
You know what, Bubbsie, you're right...it was c**p. Apart from the medical information, I actually felt people were very badly served and hoped they had the motivation to look for information beyond the course.
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The one I attended was like a Monty Python sketch Ruby...but it wasn't the slightest bit funny...shocking how poor & archaic the advice was...like you I hope the others attending have & will look for advice elsewhere.
 
Stitch147 said:
When I went along to the diabetes professional insider event they explained about the freezing of foods and ive been doing that with bread since then. Also with the allowing things like pasta and rice to cool and reheating them. Ive been doing that with the pasta and rice that I still eat.
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I saw that before about reheating pasta, didn’t know about rice though before. I used to freeze bread in individual portions as otherwise I wasted it.
 
Martin9 said:
I'm just wondering how you toast frozen bread without individuallly wrapping each slice...
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Freeze the sliced loaf laying flat on a even surface, that way the slices don't stick together and are easily parted, if you freeze the loaf standing on its end the slices tend to stick together and break up when trying to part them.

Ref the eatwell plate, never heard of it until it was mentioned on a diabetes forum where they are obsessed with pulling down the medical profession.
 
Ruby/London said:
Having attended a DESMOND course yesterday, I'd say health professionals have still got a long way to go. The course offered very sound medical information, delivered by, I have to say, a very nice but very overweight nurse who probably did her training in the 50s. I have a problem with health professionals who dole out advice they are clearly not following themselves. I thought the dietary advice was a bit off whack - all about lowering fat and calories and nothing about the effect of carbs. I asked the trainer what she thought about the new research on low carb, short term low cal diet studies and she dismissed them as being too miserable.🙄 I felt people could have been better informed ...
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Disgraceful. I feel sorry for people who don't know about this Forum or don't like joining in Forums as they could make themselves worse through taking advice from so-called "professionals." I recall going on the diabetes prevention programme and telling my optometrist when I went for the yearly test (he is a high fat, low carb lover, non-diabetic) and he said "oh what are they doing - teaching you to become diabetic rather than just pre"!!!!. hopefully this "Truth about Carbs" programme will change things. I certainly did not think the diet looked miserable.
 
toby said:
Ref the eatwell plate, never heard of it until it was mentioned on a diabetes forum where they are obsessed with pulling down the medical profession.
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I do think the medical profession needs challenging sometimes. The more I think about the course I attended, the more concerned I feel about how poorly people were served. One person talked about his bg and was asked what he had for breakfast. He starts the day with 3 slices of white toast and jam and spent the morning eating bananas and oranges and they seemed to think that was ok. From my perspective, all I could see was an early morning carb and sugar overload. There were people there who had been diagnosed many years ago and re-referred because they hadn't managed to get their bg under control. A lot of the new research is coming from the medical profession but not being filtered down to front line services and courses designed to help people. I suspect that in 5 years time, the new research will be the norm but if the only thing I had to rely on was the dietary information from the DESMOND course, I doubt I would be making any progress. I would argue that if the NHS are going to invest in education programmes they need to be relevant if they want to achieve good outcomes.
 
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Ruby/London said:
Ref the eatwell plate, never heard of it until it was mentioned on a diabetes forum where they are obsessed with pulling down the medical profession.
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I do think the medical profession needs challenging sometimes. The more I think about the course I attended, the more concerned I feel about how poorly people were served. One person talked about his bg and was asked what he had for breakfast. He starts the day with 3 slices of white toast and jam and spent the morning eating bananas and oranges and they seemed to think that was ok. From my perspective, all I could see was an early morning carb and sugar overload. There were people there who had been diagnosed many years ago and re-referred because they hadn't managed to get their bg under control. A lot of the new research is coming from the medical profession but not being filtered down to front line services and courses designed to help people. I suspect that in 5 years time, the new research will be the norm but if the only thing I had to rely on was the dietary information from the DESMOND course, I doubt I would be making any progress. I would argue that if the NHS are going to invest in education programmes they need to be relevant if they want to achieve good outcomes.
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Spot on Ruby...well said.
 
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Ruby/London said:
You know what, Bubbsie, you're right...it was c**p. Apart from the medical information, I actually felt people were very badly served and hoped they had the motivation to look for information beyond the course.
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When I was first diagnosed in Sept last year the advice I was given by both the Nurse and my GP, or should I say total lack of advice, and the information I was offered was absolutely incorrect. I was leaving 2 days later for Shanghai in complete ignorance with useless guidance and to be quite honest in shock at the dx..
There seemed to be an ethos that "ok you are T2 diabetic and there is nothing you can do about it, take the pills", what absolute c**p. Without this forum and the people on it I would have been totally in the dark. As it was I gleaned everything I needed here. When I went for my first review in January this year and saw the Diabetes Doctor I registered a formal and strong complaint. Believe me I pulled no punches, I was furious and am still angry about the whole complete incompetence. I am afraid I view it as that, incompetence. I do now know for a fact this complaint was acted upon.
We need to be in a position to challenge what these "professionals" tell us and really fight back with facts, our own empirical data via testing etc. and experience.
What's more, we need to tell them they are outdated.
 
Vince_UK said:
When I was first diagnosed in Sept last year the advice I was given by both the Nurse and my GP, or should I say total lack of advice, and the information I was offered was absolutely incorrect. I was leaving 2 days later for Shanghai in complete ignorance with useless guidance and to be quite honest in shock at the dx..
There seemed to be an ethos that "ok you are T2 diabetic and there is nothing you can do about it, take the pills", what absolute c**p. Without this forum and the people on it I would have been totally in the dark. As it was I gleaned everything I needed here. When I went for my first review in January this year and saw the Diabetes Doctor I registered a formal and strong complaint. Believe me I pulled no punches, I was furious and am still angry about the whole complete incompetence. I am afraid I view it as that, incompetence. I do now know for a fact this complaint was acted upon.
We need to be in a position to challenge what these "professionals" tell us and really fight back with facts, our own empirical data via testing etc. and experience.
What's more, we need to tell them they are outdated.
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Agree unequivocally Vince.
 
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