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The Men Who Made Us Fat - BBC2, 14th June 2012

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Well except Vit D if you live north of Watford of course. Or taking Metformin and thereby acquire a B12 deficiency.

I just consulted some packets in my bread bin, where the cake also resides. One of them 😱 contains not only Glucose Syrup and sugar, but also Glucose/Fructose syrup and also Dried Glucose syrup. Most of the others contained either G syrup or G/F syrup. I'd say all of them were dodgy all in all even though not HFCS - or is it just HFCS tading by a different name ? 😱

Except the pack of Fruit scones. Tesco's Finest; no syrup at all and made with unsalted Cornish butter. And the brioche. My Heroes !

Oh how I laughed when I saw one of them included Sorbitol in the list ....

I mean I knew it was all c**p, don't get me wrong, and have to add, it's rare to have so many packets, but in at least 2, there's only only portion of it left. And I am called on fairly often to feed hulking great 6ft rugger playing teenage school kids between school and dinner, and if you can't rely on Grandma to provide the necessary carborific sustenance, well - who the hell can you rely on these days! :D

Your meter tells you which fruit you can consume safely and how much of it remains safe diabetically. The calories in it will also determine whether it's suitable for you to eat or not, notwithstanding whether you are D or not.

And we have the lowest number of X a day in the developed world. ISTR somewhere it's as high as 13. Plenty of 7's and 9's though. So you'd have to make a fair whack of that veg. Having said that any portion of veg I dish up (except you know - eg parsnips or cauliflower cheese) will count as 1.5 if not 2, of that 5. We usually have 2 veg with our evening meal and we like all sorts (well except aubergines) so we're nearly there anyway before we even start on salad of some description at lunchtime (on or off a sandwich, etc) and fruit. The only exception to that is root veg - because being more starchy more than one portion fills me up far too much to eat the nicer bits of my din dins. Green leafy don't fill you up nearly as much, therefore you automatically eat a larger portion, don't you?

I never actually consciously think about 5 a day, I just know we do it usually. At least!
 
According to Wikipaedia, glucose syrup is a weaker version of HFCS:

Glucose syrup is used in foods to soften texture, add volume, prevent crystallization of sugar, and enhance flavor. By converting some of the glucose in corn syrup into fructose (using an enzymatic process), a sweeter product, high-fructose corn syrup can be produced.
 
this programme was very interesting indeed and have enjoyed reading the posts on here about it. My partner is going to try and get the book Pure, white and deadly and that should pop up a few interesting facts 🙂
 
Having said that any portion of veg I dish up (except you know - eg parsnips or cauliflower cheese) will count as 1.5 if not 2, of that 5.

Does cauliflower not count them? Damn, my party trick is making mashed 'potato' out of cauliflower - practically no carbs whatsoever, and I thought I was getting a veg portion too!
 
Glucose fructose in Europe means anything from 5-50% fructose.
If it is high fructose, like the 55% high fructose syrup in the US it would have to be labelled fructose-glucose.
There is a cap on the production of this type of sweetner in EU. It is limited to 5% of total sugar production.
Therefore, wide-scale replacement of sugar has not occurred in Europe and it remains a small market.
http://www.eufic.org/page/en/page/FAQ/faqid/glucose-fructose-syrup/
I've noticed on some products that include it, it is often quite low down on the list of ingredients.One product label I saw had sugar listed first and glucose fructose came below the salt content. I think in the US it would form a much higher proportion of the recipe.

I think it's best to eat as little as possible that's made in a factory.
As Michael Pollan says " Don't eat anything your great grandmother wouldn't recognize as food. Don?t eat anything with more than five ingredients, or ingredients you can't pronounce"
 
As Michael Pollan says " Don't eat anything your great grandmother wouldn't recognize as food. Don?t eat anything with more than five ingredients, or ingredients you can't pronounce"

Haha Helen. I love that quote!
 
I seem to remember them saying in the programme that Coke replaced sugar with HFCS in the US, but couldn't do it here because of the laws. The worse thing in the US is that (if you haven't seen the programme), although it is 20% sweeter than sugar they don't use less of it, and the resultant sweetness makes our brains demand even more of it - hence the giant buckets of coke available that the Mayor of New York is going to ban.

Reminds me of the Opium Wars! 😱
 
I seem to remember them saying in the programme that Coke replaced sugar with HFCS in the US, but couldn't do it here because of the laws. :

So the premise of the programme seems to be wrong - Earl Butz and the American farmers did not make us in Britain fat ? Because they couldn't have their wicked way over here.
 
So the premise of the programme seems to be wrong - Earl Butz and the American farmers did not make us in Britain fat ? Because they couldn't have their wicked way over here.

They mentioned HFCS, but only among a lot of other issues - eg powerful Sugar Assocation strongarming the WHO not to set limits on sugar consumption... power and lobbying might of the food industry... the increasing marketing and acceptance of 'snack' culture... focus on low fat being healthy...

Next edition seems like it will explore ballooning portion sizes.

I wonder whether the series might also touch on the 'food pyramid' developed by the USDA, that's Dept of *Agriculture* not health (and which seems to be the basis of the eatwell plate in the UK).

Well after Mr Butz had transformed the US agriculture industry into a massive over-producing behemoth, I suppose they had to do something with the output.
 
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Does cauliflower not count them? Damn, my party trick is making mashed 'potato' out of cauliflower - practically no carbs whatsoever, and I thought I was getting a veg portion too!

My understanding is that 'portions' only count if they are different. eg 3 glasses of orange juice 😱 would be one portion. And cauli (which I am sure *does* count) would be one portion even if you ate a whole one. Anyone else heard that?
 
My understanding is that 'portions' only count if they are different. eg 3 glasses of orange juice 😱 would be one portion. And cauli (which I am sure *does* count) would be one portion even if you ate a whole one. Anyone else heard that?

That is my understanding too. I guess eating 5 apples a day, for example, does not get you a wide range of nutrients.
 
Here's NHS take on what counts towards your "Five a Day". http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/5ADAY/Pages/Whatcounts.aspx

Only one portion per day can come from fruit juice.

A variety of fruit and veg is best, but there's no strict rule about eating multiple portions of the same item.
 
A portion of fruit/veg is 80g. It comes from the World Health Organisation recommendation that people should eat a minimum of 400g a day. There are other countries that have chosen to suggest bigger portion sizes, so fewer portions and there are others that have chosen to suggest more portion and aim at a higher level than the 400g.
 
Cauliflower is absolutely brill and AOK. However cauli cheese (made with a basic white roux sauce with about half a lb of strong cheddar and plenty of mustard) is a) very fatty, so it slows down all the carbs you eat with it. That's OK if you want it to but my insulin works too quick if I eat too much fat, so I limit it for that reason anyway and b) you make a roux with equal parts of butter and flour. So carbs. So I limit it. And of course c) it's fattening because of that sauce. So I limit it !!!!!!

:D
 
Part 2 tonight BBC2 9pm 🙂

"Investigates eating habits with a look at the history of super-sizing, king-sized snacks, value meals and multi-buy promotions"
 
Write-up in the TV guide suggested something about 'changes to dietary advice' too which might be interesting...
 
Good, if it wasnt for the tennis, i'd have missed this!!! 🙂

Scratch that, I did want to see it at some point tonight!!! Gerrrroff Nadal!!!
 
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