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The Men Who Made Us Fat - BBC2, 14th June 2012

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Thanks very interesting story have set it to record, thanks 🙂.
 
This is a Must See.

Is the tide turning?
 
Setting to record 🙂
 
Thought this was an excellent programme, looking forward to the others in the series. It really does expose how we arrived at where we are today, deeply suspicious of fat and having a very different attitude to sugar (in particular, hidden sugars, placed in food due to reduction in fats). Also, how one theory can be overridden by powerful interests.
 
I thought it was very very good. Hope the rest of the series live up to it.
 
I found it fascinating and a bit scarey!!! Would have liked to be told there was a way of knowing which was the artificial corn sweetener. Also it was sad how the English professor was shouted down and more or less ridiculed.

Look forward to seeing the next programs in the series.
 
I disliked Ancel Keys even more finding that he jumped to such ridiculous conclusions when he came here in 1952.

And a lot of 'poor in money' people DIDN'T have poor diets then Ancel, you just didn't bother looking properly, if at all, did you?
 
The program in part says what Taubes said in his book The Diet Delusion, especially about the tentative research and how myths , re low fat get perpetrated.

I am still confused though about fructose, a major mention in the program. Fruit is fructose, so can we eat fruit or not?
 
What they said was, fruit has a lot less fructose than HFCS (which is hardly surprising - High Fructose Corn Syrup) and also kess of it than fruit juice.

So yes you are as long as you don't OD, which is when the Leptin gets turned off. I think?

Remember the 5 a day (which really ought to be more than 5 so don't worry if it is) - is fruit AND veg.
 
and the other point is that it is mainly used in BEVERAGES. Until recently no-one drank many sweetened drinks, now they are drunk in vast quantities, also at fast food outlets which we didn't have either.
It is also about CONSUMPTION which has been made easier and cheaper so we have more, although my mum wouldn't let us kids have 'pop' when we were little because it wasn't good for us even then! Even fruit juice isn't good in large quantities. We all like a 'treat', but we are being drawn in to more of them.
 
PRE dx i thought i was being so healthy by eating loads of fruit and only natural fruit juices ...opps wrong !!i now limit it and swapped my favorites to something more tolerable ..for example I LOVED melon ...but find now that cucumber cut in chunks a good alternative. i eat occasional apples and berries but bananas are no no :(
 
Yes, the corn syrup is the nasty one, I dont get much BG rise with fruit, but I mentioned in another thread sometime ago, fructose goes straight to the liver, so may not show up. The five a day thing too I wonder about the validity or extent of the rersearch, or is it yet another myth, just like the quantity of water we are all supposed to drink, and now it seems we shouldn't.

I hope it is the concentration involved in the corn syrup, as I have fruit twice a day with meals, and it is a bit of a treat that I enjoy, so will carry on, but watch the weight.🙂
 
Some of those so called 'health' bars are cram packed full of it too. Kinda stick the oats etc together with it. Great ......
 
Would have liked to be told there was a way of knowing which was the artificial corn sweetener.
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Haven't seen the programme, but surely it's just high-fructose corn syrup? It's fairly easy to find, it's usually listed as glucose or glucose/fructose syrup on ingredients lists.

Again, haven't seen the programme yet but isn't this also more relevant for the American market? HFCS is reasonably rare in Europe because it's subject to a production quota, to protect the European sugar beet industry. As a result, the majority of products containing sugar in the EU contain sucrose rather that HFCS.
 
Is that right? - I knew it wasn't used so much in the EU but not why, another reason (!) to be glad we're in it.

Although I still think this is missing the point, and I worry about the mix up between fructose in fruit and HFCS, surely it is more about the amount consumed? Fruit contains other nutrients like vitamins and minerals that we need to survive (remember the scurvy story, and why the British navy sailors were called limeys?) Doesn't diabetes just mean we have to limit portions and the balance of foods, not cut out fruit (or other natural food) completely?
 
It's more a question of a healthy diet overall. Personally, I think the advice we need to eat lots of fruit is incorrect. Biologically, it doesn't make sense. Fruit is highly seasonal. For large parts of the year, it's simply not available (naturally). Yes, fruit contains a lot of vitamins. But so do many other foodstuffs - leafy green veg, for a start. Fruit also tends to appear (in Europe, anyway) towards the autumn - a time when most animals need to stock up on energy reserves in anticipation of a lean winter. It makes sense that we're biologically designed to store fat very easily from eating a lot of fruit.

Fruit is also medicinal. Yes, sailors ate limes to put back the vitamin C in their diet - but that's because they were living on a very limited diet. People who eat plenty of fresh meat and veg don't get vitamin deficiencies and thus don't need a 'superdose' from fruit to get back on track.

Fruit is essentially a treat. It shouldn't be eliminated from your diet and should definitely be chosen preference to other 'treats', but I'm not convinced we need to be eating five apples a day and washing it all down with smoothies.
 
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