The Low Fat Question

[nonethewiser]

Actually it doesn't and this is the whole problem with weight loss diets. They are based upon the flawed theory that fat makes you fat... and it doesn't. Excessive carbs make you fat. Cutting portion size whilst still eating carbs and not eating fat means that when you reach your target weight and stop the diet, you put the weight back on again.
Fat is satisfying and therefore you are much less likely to overeat and over time your stomach shrinks. It also provides steady slow release energy rather than the glucose surge you get from carbs. Many of us find that 2 meals a day on a low carb higher fat diet is all we need. I know I eat a lot less now than I ever did before.

She is doing slimming world diet, it concentrates on healthy eating, loads of veg salads fruit + lean sources of meat low fat dairy. The results so far is 3+stone weight loss and feels really healthy for it, loves the SW way of eating and plans to go the maintenance diet once target weight is reached.

Consultant lost 7 stone 10 years ago and kept it off, inspiration for group, wife buys the SW mag and it's full of success stories every issue.

Carbs dont make you fat over eating does, but that isn't only cause as anybody knows.

 

[ianf0ster]

Fridge has plenty of low fat food in it, wife on diet so has to be low or zero fat.

I, like Drummer was eating low fat (for over 10yrs) before my 3x Coronary Artery Bypass. I was stupid enough to keep eating that way until my T2D diagnosis, at which point I decided that I couldn't trust my GP with my health where dietary and exercise advice was concerned.
I found the other UK diabetes forum , read about the success of Low Carb, looked at as much study data as I could find and came to the conclusion that I 'd been deliberately misled by the big processed food manufacturers and big Pharma abetted by governments, health bodies and GPs.
The science behind Low Carb High(er) Fat is so simple that it makes complete sense to me, versus the evidence for High whole grain Carbs making no sense - though I did study science at school back in the 1960's.

 

[nonethewiser]

I, like Drummer was eating low fat (for over 10yrs) before my 3x Coronary Artery Bypass. I was stupid enough to keep eating that way until my T2D diagnosis, at which point I decided that I couldn't trust my GP with my health where dietary and exercise advice was concerned.
I found the other UK diabetes forum , read about the success of Low Carb, looked at as much study data as I could find and came to the conclusion that I 'd been deliberately misled by the big processed food manufacturers and big Pharma abetted by governments, health bodies and GPs.
The science behind Low Carb High(er) Fat is so simple that it makes complete sense to me, versus the evidence for High whole grain Carbs making no sense - though I did study science at school back in the 1960's.

Good luck & good health with diet my friend.

 

[Deleted member 25429]

She is doing slimming world diet, it concentrates on healthy eating, loads of veg salads fruit + lean sources of meat low fat dairy. The results so far is 3+stone weight loss and feels really healthy for it, loves the SW way of eating and plans to go the maintenance diet once target weight is reached.

Consultant lost 7 stone 10 years ago and kept it off, inspiration for group, wife buys the SW mag and it's full of success stories every issue.

Carbs dont make you fat over eating does, but that isn't only cause as anybody knows.

Carbs do mean more insulin !

 

[chaoticcar]

I'm not sure if your Frown emoji is meant seriously.
If it is then in order to gain weight while keeping Blood Glucose under strict control you could try doing extra muscle building exercise such as lifting weights, doing squats, push-ups etc. together with eating a little more protein - to build the additional lean muscle.

Yes the frown was meant seriously I seriously struggle to gain weight I am 76 years old and if I got down into squat position I would have to get up like a camel ! I also eat protein with every meal whilst keeping a close eye on my BGs
Carol

 

[everydayupsanddowns]

I don’t think it’s quite fair to say that “there is no (believable) scientific evidence that dietary fat from natural foods causes harm”. But I suppose that would depend on how you define ‘believable’ and ‘natural’. There are lots and lots of studies large and small, and wider meta analyses that are argued to support and debunk both sides of this perennial argument.

My opinion after more than a decade of reading quite polarised opinions on the subject is that neither LCHF nor HCLF are *the* answer, and that different people expose themselves to different levels of risk with a diet high in either carbohydrate or saturated fats.

I like Alan S’s old adage: Moderation in everything. Except laughter.

 

[ianf0ster]

Ok, I meant that in general. I should have made it clear that I was not including the modern highly processed so-called 'vegetable oils' however 'natural' they may claim to be. Basically if you need a factory rather than just a kitchen to produce or prepare it, then it isn't something that we can't be sure that we evolved to eat.

I tend not to believe studies which claim things lie Saturated Fat 'clogging arteries with Cholesterol' when :
A). They appear to be disproved the Lipid figures of both myself and others.
B). There are studies which show that those patients with higher LDL, who've had heart attacks or heart failure, actually live longer than those with so-called good levels of LDL. As is the case with women and with the over 65's.

It is true that different groups of people historically appear to have done well on either a High Carb or a High Protein High Fat way of eating - which may be partially genetic. But we 've had only a relatively short time to adapt to eating High Carb rather than a way of eating upon which the human race evolved our large brains, cooked meat, fish. marrow from bones
- Perhaps in huge excess it might, but then so is almost any food or drink, even drinking too much water can kill you.
It may indeed be possible, at least in theory, to put Type2 Diabetes into remission on a HCLF diet - but only by starving for the rest of their life.
I recall hearing about a doctor in the USA in the 1940s to 1970s who 'cured' various diseases in his patients apparently with a High Carb very Low Fat diet.
He was accused of whipping his patients and admitted he did so - but only because they asked him to, it was the only way they could manage to keep to the diet!

If his claims and others of a similar nature (such as the physician of Senator McGovern of the original US Gov dietary guidelines) are to be beleived, then the dangers lie precisely with the 'moderate ways of eating' i.e. low Protein with equal Carbs and Fats.
Indeed when a single food items are manufactured with this combination, they are particularly easy to overindulge in e.g. Pizza, Doughnuts and various snacks.