The Fast Fix: Diabetes - ITV, 13th/14th June 2018

[Mark Parrott]

Well done for giving it a go Mark 😎

I'm a strong believer in 'if at first you don't succeed, give up'.

 

[Maz2]

I'm a strong believer in 'if at first you don't succeed, give up'.

That made me laugh Mark.

 

[eggyg]

I watched it with gritted teeth. It was great they all lost weight and some are now in the non diabetic range but where was the part where they educated them on what to do next? What really annoyed me was the fact the NHS “ grumble” that Type 2 Diabetes cost 10% of the total budget, a staggering 150 million pound a day apparently but doesn’t help those who are diagnosed. Reading this forum over the years and my own experience, you are told “ oh you are diabetic, loose weight, take these pills and we will see you next year”. The DESMOND course is patronising at best and still adheres to the old advise of filling your plate mostly with carbs. The participants on the show didn’t really know anything about healthy eating and seemed shocked at their HbA1c. It may have been for the cameras but one or two of them seemed upset. I think the GP or DSN should prescribe first and foremost, membership to this forum. We are the experts not them!

 

[Bubbsie]

I watched it with gritted teeth. It was great they all lost weight and some are now in the non diabetic range but where was the part where they educated them on what to do next? What really annoyed me was the fact the NHS “ grumble” that Type 2 Diabetes cost 10% of the total budget, a staggering 150 million pound a day apparently but doesn’t help those who are diagnosed. Reading this forum over the years and my own experience, you are told “ oh you are diabetic, loose weight, take these pills and we will see you next year”. The DESMOND course is patronising at best and still adheres to the old advise of filling your plate mostly with carbs. The participants on the show didn’t really know anything about healthy eating and seemed shocked at their HbA1c. It may have been for the cameras but one or two of them seemed upset. I think the GP or DSN should prescribe first and foremost, membership to this forum. We are the experts not them!

Finally the NHS are to recommend the low carb approach with diet...
www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2018/jun/low-carb-program-achieves-qismet-approval-to-be-recommended-by-the-nhs-94355134.html
I wonder how long this will take to filter through to our HCP's?

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Excellent post Wendy. Your last sentence sums it up. I cannot see the "Fast Fix" being any good to my friend's diabetic husband who is 80 and underweight, or my 87 year old neighbour. I have known lots of people who have gone on diets and "fast fixes" and then put the weight back on. Your approach makes much more sense because, as you rightly say, it is a lifestyle change not just for a few weeks. It is impossible to live on 800 cals for life, unless you want to make yourself ill.

Indeed it is impossible to live on 800 calories a day for life.

The eight weeks you actually live on 800 calories a day is worth doing though.
Personally, I had a McMuffin and coffee this morning.
Actually because I had to leave too early to grab breakfast, and wasn't going to get anything until later on this afternoon.
But still, very tasty.

It's a shame how the Newcastle Diet seems to be getting slated by those on here who haven't seem to even read up on the simple basics of what is a very effective diet for some diabetics.
And complain GP's seem to be ignorant of the new approaches to type 2.

 

[Deleted member 21371]

Finally the NHS are to recommend the low carb approach with diet...
www.diabetes.co.uk/news/2018/jun/low-carb-program-achieves-qismet-approval-to-be-recommended-by-the-nhs-94355134.html
I wonder how long this will take to filter through to our HCP's?

Is the subscription fee paid by the NHS now?
Otherwise £29.99 is quite a chunk to pay for something that is free on here.

And to be honest, I would have expected greater results than they are claiming to see,

"On average, people who complete the program reduce their HbA1c levels by 13 mmol/mol (1.2%) and lose seven per cent of their body weight"

I would still be in the diabetic range if I had reduced my original hba1c by that little, and still be morbidly obese.
And £29.99 worse off!

 

[Matt Cycle]

.co.uk is not a charity it's a commercial entity in the business to make profit. I dislike the site but fair play to Arjun Panesar he's done very well for himself.

 

[Mark T]

One issue I always have with these things is that people say "Why can't you do the 800 Cal diet to get rid of your diabetes?". Well, it won't work - and I don't need to loose any weight!

One of my colleagues mentioned this to me this morning (I don't watch much TV) and said that he felt something was missing from the program and it wasn't the whole story. From reading this thread I can definitely see that something was missing!

I think there has to be some acceptance (on here too) that everybodies diabeties is different and there are a varienty of approaches, not all of which will work for any given person.

Personally I wouldn't do Newcastle because I want to do something where I make a permanent change and are willing to wait for the long term. But other's will want to do it differently and that's fine.

 

[Mark Parrott]

Indeed it is impossible to live on 800 calories a day for life.

The eight weeks you actually live on 800 calories a day is worth doing though.
Personally, I had a McMuffin and coffee this morning.
Actually because I had to leave too early to grab breakfast, and wasn't going to get anything until later on this afternoon.
But still, very tasty.

It's a shame how the Newcastle Diet seems to be getting slated by those on here who haven't seem to even read up on the simple basics of what is a very effective diet for some diabetics.
And complain GP's seem to be ignorant of the new approaches to type 2.

I don't people on her have slated the Newcastle diet, just commented that some wouldn't be able to do it. I never did it, but I wasn't that familiar with the diet when I was diagnosed. I am now in non diabetic range & no longer overweight without going on the Newcastle diet (or any other 800 calorie diet). I would have no problem giving it a go if I needed too though, but I would make my own shakes.

 

[Bubbsie]

Indeed it is impossible to live on 800 calories a day for life.

The eight weeks you actually live on 800 calories a day is worth doing though.
Personally, I had a McMuffin and coffee this morning.
Actually because I had to leave too early to grab breakfast, and wasn't going to get anything until later on this afternoon.
But still, very tasty.

It's a shame how the Newcastle Diet seems to be getting slated by those on here who haven't seem to even read up on the simple basics of what is a very effective diet for some diabetics.
And complain GP's seem to be ignorant of the new approaches to type 2.

Its a fact Travellor many GP's & DSN's are ignorant of alternative approaches to diet when it come to type 2...apart from the eat well plate ...I'll start with mine...he openly admits he know little abput T2 or how to manage it...then I'll add the two facilitators on the hopeless DESMOND course I went on...I'm sure others here could add to that.

 

[Bubbsie]

.co.uk is not a charity it's a commercial entity in the business to make profit. I dislike the site but fair play to Arjun Panesar he's done very well for himself.

It is a commercial site Matt...but if it gets the job done...there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[Bubbsie]

Is the subscription fee paid by the NHS now?
Otherwise £29.99 is quite a chunk to pay for something that is free on here.

And to be honest, I would have expected greater results than they are claiming to see,

"On average, people who complete the program reduce their HbA1c levels by 13 mmol/mol (1.2%) and lose seven per cent of their body weight"

I would still be in the diabetic range if I had reduced my original hba1c by that little, and still be morbidly obese.
And £29.99 worse off!

That remains to be seen however when you compare it to the cost of years medication & archaic dietary advice from our HCP's...the fee palls into insignificance...13mmols is a sizable drop...certainly enough to remove many diabetics from diabetic range...you are individualising the course...based on your own circumstances...you clearly don't need this...others may...let them make their own minds up.

 

[Bubbsie]

One issue I always have with these things is that people say "Why can't you do the 800 Cal diet to get rid of your diabetes?". Well, it won't work - and I don't need to loose any weight!

One of my colleagues mentioned this to me this morning (I don't watch much TV) and said that he felt something was missing from the program and it wasn't the whole story. From reading this thread I can definitely see that something was missing!

I think there has to be some acceptance (on here too) that everybodies diabeties is different and there are a varienty of approaches, not all of which will work for any given person.

Personally I wouldn't do Newcastle because I want to do something where I make a permanent change and are willing to wait for the long term. But other's will want to do it differently and that's fine.

Many people use this as a start...or if they reach a plateau to give their management a bit of a boost...no one is suggesting it's a permanent approach to good effective diabetes management.

 

[Bubbsie]

I watched it with gritted teeth. It was great they all lost weight and some are now in the non diabetic range but where was the part where they educated them on what to do next? What really annoyed me was the fact the NHS “ grumble” that Type 2 Diabetes cost 10% of the total budget, a staggering 150 million pound a day apparently but doesn’t help those who are diagnosed. Reading this forum over the years and my own experience, you are told “ oh you are diabetic, loose weight, take these pills and we will see you next year”. The DESMOND course is patronising at best and still adheres to the old advise of filling your plate mostly with carbs. The participants on the show didn’t really know anything about healthy eating and seemed shocked at their HbA1c. It may have been for the cameras but one or two of them seemed upset. I think the GP or DSN should prescribe first and foremost, membership to this forum. We are the experts not them!

If it costs 10% of the NHS budget...why on earth don't they invest some of that 10% in forming some cohesive advice or decent educational programmes for T2...surely that would be a great saving if they made a real investment instead of blaming & shaming T2's.

 

[Martin Canty]

, its a lifestyle change and its hard to do, support from family and friends and sites like this all help to encourage. We are all different and out bodies all react differently what may work for one may not work for another.

You so totally get it, Wendy, that's part of why I prefer the term "Well Controlled" over "cured" or "reversed", it may be semantics but to think of myself as "well controlled" reminds me to keep on living this lifestyle I don't want to face the consequences of uncontrolled D. I did let control slip at the beginning of the year & was rewarded with an A1c back in the pre-D range (5.9)

 

[Martin Canty]

She makes her own veggie drinks for breakfast & lunch consisting of spinach, kale, celery

I take it that @Bubbsie won't be coming over for lunch any time soon😱

 

[Bubbsie]

I take it that @Bubbsie won't be coming over for lunch any time soon😱

No Martin not at his house...Kale smoothies ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww😱 … I'm waiting for an invite to Carb Thursday.🙂

 

[Deleted member 21371]

That remains to be seen however when you compare it to the cost of years medication & archaic dietary advice from our HCP's...the fee palls into insignificance...13mmols is a sizable drop...certainly enough to remove many diabetics from diabetic range...you are individualising the course...based on your own circumstances...you clearly don't need this...others may...let them make their own minds up.

Indeed, everyone should make up their own mind, just as everyone should look at where an average reduction of 13 mmols in hba1c will put them.

 

[Bubbsie]

Indeed, everyone should make up their own mind, just as everyone should look at where an average reduction of 13 mmols in hba1c will put them.

I think we can live with that traveller...the chance to make our own minds up...most gracious of you to accept that.

 

[Amigo]

Indeed, everyone should make up their own mind, just as everyone should look at where an average reduction of 13 mmols in hba1c will put them.

I managed that without Metformin or the Newcastle diet (well 12 mmols to be exact).